TCHS Vandalism and The Punishment Given
Mike and Deep-Thought wants to start the following discussion:
I believe a good topic would be on the discipline that was given to the destructive students at the high school. Todays paper has a parent saying the punishment for the crime was too stiff. I don't think so(duh)not only did the custodial staff (not the students envolved)have to spend hours getting the class rooms back in order, the other students had to set in the gym for several hours before returning to class. You go Oscar. The punishment fits the crime.
I believe a good topic would be on the discipline that was given to the destructive students at the high school. Todays paper has a parent saying the punishment for the crime was too stiff. I don't think so(duh)not only did the custodial staff (not the students envolved)have to spend hours getting the class rooms back in order, the other students had to set in the gym for several hours before returning to class. You go Oscar. The punishment fits the crime.
Mike I agree. See that is a big problem today in that parents don't hold their kids accountable for their actions. There has to be punishment for the crime, or it will set a precedent that it is OK to do it again. When I was in school, we didn't do stupid stuff like that, and thought three times about doing something small, because we knew there would be punishment at school, and then when I got home. We got punished twice. My Dad would make me go publicly apologize and thank the school system for handing out the punishment. Knowing for a fact that I would be punished kept me straight. If you are going to do the crime, then do the time. What those students did was inexcusable and so far from a "prank". I am proud of the board and the administration for standing tough and passing punishment. That parent in the paper is doing nothing but enabling her child to do it again somewhere else. A parent should support their children, but being nice all the time doesn't cut it. Doing what that parent is doing is actually hurting the child. Your child is a direct reflection of the home they grew up in.
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blogmoderator,thanks for those comments that were well spoken,seems if some parents of today would go back a few years and do what our parents did i would bet you would see one heck of a change
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If ya do the crime, ya do the time!
Too many parents bail kids out of the trouble they get themselves into.
It's time to hold our young people accountable for their actions and choices they make. Those students knew what they were doing was wrong and now they and their parents must accept the punishment handed down to them. I hope it's a valuable lesson learned for them and all young people.
Think before you act!
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I couldn't agree more Danny.
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About the lesson part, I am having a hard time with this one-I totally agree about being responsible, but I wonder about the degree of punishment. Does the punishment fit the crime? I would rather the kids had to do custodial work all day every day for their 10-days off school, maybe at the hospital or the nursing home. Will missing graduation, missing the Sr. trip teach the young folks better individual judgement? Will they learn about 'mob' mentality? That no matter how many of your friends participate, it can still be wrong. I also hope the community gets past being smug and forgives the kids. Some of the fine adults I know did some pretty stupid things before they grew good judgement. Most didn't get caught,never faced consequences, yet they turned out fine, just like their folks.
How do you help young people resist bad ideas of all kinds?
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I wish I knew the answer!
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What does forgiveness have to do with accountability for making poor choices? As a parent, there has never been a time I did not forgive my child for making a bad decision. At the same time, my child had to deal with the consequences associated with that decision. I am from a time when punishment was meted out for bad behavior. A lot of folks are more interested in being their child's "friend" rather than the parent. None of those students are going to be permanently damaged for the punishment they received for their "senior prank." What is interesting to me is that many of the students who were caught were from prominent families in our community. I personally am glad to see that Oscar and the Board supported Mr. Thompson's decision which lined up with the school discipline plan. I hope future seniors think twice before vandalizing our schools. Those parents should be glad criminal charges were not levied against their children.
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BRAVO!
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810.02 Burglary.--
(b) For offenses committed after July 1, 2001, "burglary" means:
1. Entering a dwelling, a structure, or a conveyance with the intent to commit an offense therein, unless the premises are at the time open to the public or the defendant is licensed or invited to enter
806.13 Criminal mischief
(1)(a) A person commits the offense of criminal mischief if he or she willfully and maliciously injures or damages by any means any real or personal property belonging to another, including, but not limited to, the placement of graffiti thereon or other acts of vandalism thereto.
Plain and simple the reason these kids were not charged is because they were the whose who of Perry. One child's dad is a deputy and he knew she was going to pull a "prank", another was the daughter of an FWCC Officer, one was the child of a local wealthy photographer. If these kids would have been any other children do you think they would have been charged? I think so.
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Professionally made signs are being placed along the county road-side. These signs proclaim "Let the Seniors Walk".
This is in reference to the punishment some seniors at TCHS received for breaking and entering into the school and causing and engaging in vandalism.
We all know that if this had been any other students - charges would have been filed. To the credit of the local district attorney's office they wanted to press charges but the school declined.
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AMEN!!!!!!!
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They deserved more than what they got! If they had broken onto a home in the middle of the night they could have been shot!!
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I found this on the Tallahassee .com page. It's talking about the Hoffman case but shouldn't this apply to any crime. "But Meggs said that if the State Attorney's Office finds out a crime may have been committed, the decision to prosecute lies with that office — regardless of what police may have promised an informant." So what about our (Taylor Countys) State Attorney's Office can they pick it up and file charges .on the teens
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I believe the DA can press ahead if the charge is a felony. Other than a felony - I don't think so.
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This was not a "prank", this was breaking and entering and distruction of public property. If this had been a private business, say a hardware store or building supply, you can be sure these hoodlums would have faced felony charges. What concerns me are the number of parents who knew this was going to take place and did nothing to stop it. It certainly show that there is an elite group in this county that think they and their children can get away with anything. I GUESS THEY DID !!
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Whats this ? Professional signs being made and placed around town declaring the seniors should March ? My oh my, if someone had broken into their homes in the middle of the night these parents would be screaming for that person to be prosecuted...Yes people were hurt and time was wasted. Students were not allowed to go to class while this was being straightened out. Look Mom and Dads, where were you while your students were out at this time of the night ? They did the crime and now they are getting away with it and not being punished. If a problem child had broken into the school and did some vandalism they would be prosecuted. I believe only because it is an election year did the State Attorney's office push for prosecution. Get over it and be adults and make your kids accept the punishment!!
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Have you seen the sign at Ace Hardware?
LET THEM WALK!!!!!!!NO I Think Not. No They should not walk or even be near the school. I think they should have to wear stripes clothes and clean up around the courthouse. Let the children have some embarrassment, not just the parents that did not know anything. As for those parents that did know what was going to happen, they need to be responsible for them, especially those that had keys made to enter the school and the cop that played look out... No one is beyond being punished.
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Wait a minute, are you saying that a cop was actually involved? There was a cop actually there watching? What the %&#$!! Who was this cop or at least what agency does he work for if you won't give his name? Wow things make more and more sense.
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Yes. he was there watching in the parking lot, that was brought to my attention from a secret inside source. Yes and he works with the sheriff's office. I was not there to see for myself, just told.
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This go's to show that the Sheriff of this county has no contol over his officers. They do as they please: Look at all th problems he's had with Deputys.
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Please be serious...First of all get your facts right about who actually knew of this..What about the "TEACHER' that knew about it three days before if was done???? Why is she being covered up?? Why are you not asking Thompson about her punishment???? Oh yeah, I forgot, you really don't know all the true facts.........You really don't know what really happened, only what you are being told by the self appointed judges (who by the way have covered up for their children too, or have we forgotten about Mr. Southerland ??)And last but not least....Get a freaking life and stay off this site of throwing stones from the dark...What a bunch of chickens !!!!!
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Seriously - this site is crucial. It is a forum to get to the truth. Do you know the truth? Please tell us. I'll ask the tough questions. What about the teacher that knew? What about Mr. Southerland? Really serious - we want to know for sure if the matter was not handled fairly!! This is a place where these matters can be brought up without fear of reprisal from the authorities or snoopy lawyers.
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OMG.....I bet the teacher did not have a clue about how far those students were going to take this so called prank. I can even bet the teacher didn't know that these kids were drunk when they did it. You are the one who has a serious problem if you are taking all of this a little too "personal"....Why I would bet you had a hand in all of this too. You are the one that needs to get a grip and realize you won't be bailed out one day. Or if you are a parent quit acting like the child and slap yourself with a wake-up call.
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Yes, the teacher did know what all was going to happened and also told her husband (three days BEFORE) it occurred. And no, they were not drunk. It must be you sitting at your table looking across at your family !!!!Hide behind this site, but remember your talking to others about your little comments have identified you as a true loser...........
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Actually, you are both right as not EVERYONE had been drinking...
The sad thing is that these kids are in trouble and I don't mean with the law. Many of them drink openly, and brag on that. I know for a fact that the parents of these children are sometimes buying the alcohol for these kids themselves. Has anyone else seen the pics from the Senior Cruise or from the Prom these students held for themselves, the pics from inside the party bus they rented? It's a sad sad cry for help.
The issue here is the parents. For too long several of these kids have been taught that they are pretty much perfect, and that the rules don't really apply to them. I can say this as a fact as 4 of these families are friends of mine, and I have always been concerned about how these children have been raised as far as consequences to their actions are concerned.
I understand these parents are disappointed that their children are not allowed to walk. These parents are not understanding of the severity of the situation. Imagine how Mr. Ragans would feel if students broke into his store, pulled everything off his shelf, rearranged his price stickers and drew all over his walls with a washable marker of course! And what would Ms. Clark say if they went into her studio and drew moustaches on all of her portraits? Would Mr. Cooper mind if someone threw confetti all over his boat and let the air out of his FWC truck and boat trailor tires? I wonder if they would think those actions were severe, I wonder if they would prosecute. After all, none of that is "permanent damage". These families are very lucky and instead of being upset, they should be singing the praises of the TCSB for not having their little angels arrested. I know their signs are legal, it's pretty much freedom of speech, but at what cost? What are they teaching these kids? Once again, these parents are failing these kids. I feel sorry for them, the children I mean.
If it's a teacher that knew, and you know that for a fact, why won't you release that name? Or the cops' for that matter? Shouldn't that be public knowledge as these people are paid by us, the taxpayers? I don't believe that rumor since no names have ever been released. Who told you that anyway? The kids? The parents? Well, we see how responsible they are.
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I understand (just a rumor, but from a good source) that the deputy resigned yesterday. I won't say the name because I have not confirmed at this time.
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AMEN!!THE PARENTS WHO WERE IN LAW ENFORCEMNET AND THE LOOK OUT WHO WAS A DEPUTY SHOULD ABSOUTELY BE PUNISHED ALSO.
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I'm glad to see that people recognize the necessity of this punishment. It's funny that some of the parents of these kids are claiming that the students are being unjustly punished because of who they are. In fact, the opposite is true; these are students who are generally able to get away with MORE than others because of who they are (or, more specifically, who their parents are).
They could've been charged with a crime, but they were not. Their parents should be thankful, and quit complaining.
My parents NEVER would've lifted a finger to try to bail me out of a mess like that. You play, you pay. The sooner these kids (and the underclassmen who are watching) learn this, the better.
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Yes, I have seen the news and heard enough about these seniors. Talking about an election and how someone is doing their job is different than talking about someone's child.
I don't know any of the kids or who the parents are so I am not trying to stand up for anyone.
I do however hope that someone who has posted these blogs don't have any children who have been in trouble or little kids who may one day be in trouble. Just think these are kids, who you are talking about and their familys. I guess everybody who is on here has a perfect child!
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I don't think anyone expects kids to be perfect. In fact, the comments being made here aren't so much about the kids, but about their parents--specifically, their parents' complaints about the punishment.
I can accept that the kids made a mistake; we've all made mistakes in our lives. But in the real world, there are usually consequences to those mistakes. The parents aren't doing their kids any favors by trying to mitigate those consequences.
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Excuse me? No one said anything about their children being perfect. As a matter of fact I have 4 children ranging from 22-12. My children are far from perfect and neither am I. My oldest child in fact got into trouble when he was 18 and I didn't agree with what the Officer did BUT guess what - he stayed in jail OVERNIGHT to show him that the law is the law and he was not beyone being punished. NO ONE is talking ABOUT the young adults (not children they are entering the real world in a few weeks) everyone is talking about the fairness of their punishment. I know that there is a lot being covered up and I know that if it were other students involved the paper would be all over it and names would have been published. They deserve every bit of punishment that they have been handed! If it were my own I would say the exact same thing (and MY children know it)
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Excuse me, the names dont get published if they are juveniles without permission, and your son was 18yrs. You said you did not agree with what the Officer did but your last sentence said if it were my own I would say the same thing. (so which is it)
Also, the your blog reads is you want to know who they are, or maybe you just want to take pleasure in others pain.
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To growup: Re-read what I wrote, I know the children involved (remember I am a parent of a high school student) most students graduate at 18 so juveniles???? ANyway the point is I had a situation that I felt was handled infairly when my son was 18yr - I do not feel that the Officer took appropriate actions in arresting him for the "mistake" as you want to put it. BUT as I said, he stayed in jail overnight to prove that he did wrong - I could have gotten him out that night but I didn't. He had to learn a lesson WHETHER I AGREED OR NOT. THese kids deserve to be treated the same way, there could have been criminal charges but they got off lucky and the parents are still griping and whining. Sounds to me like you may be one of the parents!
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No one has a perfect child and no One is a perfect parent....but to those parents who let their kids sip alcohol at their home or at Big Grassy with their friends in a Listerine bottle and thinks that it would be safer than them sneaking out and doing it, is not thinking like a parent but a good 'ol buddy. Why not teach them not to drink at all or write a contract saying that if you are with friends and anyone is drinking including your own child call for a parent to come and make sure they get home safely and address the problem as a family unit and drill it into their heads that you only get 1 life in this world. You can't ever come back if you are dead. My mother always said..."The hardest thing in the world is being a good parent. Saying No to a child is a 100 times harder than saying yes". These students and their parents take the 'latter'yes because it's easy.
If you take the easy way as a parent when raising your child take a long hard look in the mirror. You have a lot of soul searching to do.
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The sign at Ace Hardware does not make it clear that a few young adults who broke the rules and they are the only ones not walking. If we didn't know, we could infer the entire Senior class is prohibited from walking. A few students do not make up the entire Senior Class of 2008. Walking that stage at graduation IS a privilege and those students lost theirs when they committed the crime.
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Now the students are wearing T-shirts to school demanding that the Seniors be allowed to walk. What a shame, if the parents had placed as much knowing where their kids were that night as they have done so complaining they would have known that the students were committing a crime. Get over it parents, your hoodlum children were caught and got off easy...What if they broke into a bank, hardware store, convenience store or anyones home those homeowners and businesses would be screaming for that person to be prosecuted. Your students are breaking a rule wearing those tshirts to school so quit complaining that these students were sent home!! You had the opportunity to speak and were heard...Get over it!!
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Did anyone see the group of kids at Ace Hardware holding up signs this afternoon? I was told by a high school student that "they", the kids in trouble, are collecting money to hire a lawyer. A LAWYER...why, did they finally get charged with the crimes they committed?
NO...it's to over-turn the school boards decision to NOT let them walk.
Stay stronge school board..DO NOT LET THEM WALK!!!!!
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The parents of these kids have plenty of money for a lawyer; there wouldn't be a need for the kids to collect money.
But if they do hire a lawyer, they'd be wasting money. They won't win. The district's attorney has backed the board, which in turn has backed the principal.
Besides, graduation is in two weeks. There's not much time to take legal action.
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From what we are told at school its not the school boards decision, it was mr thompsons
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That's correct--the choice is the principal's, within the confines of the discipline matrix.
However, the school board, the superintendent, and the board's attorney have all backed the principal's decision.
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T Mac you and crying Sally. Your not part of the situation and definitely don't know all that truly happened. Ask about the other burglary that occurred four days later or the in-house cover ups. Plus, you really don't know the law and how it panned out. So please sit your lazy butts on this site and find something else to justify your boring and meaningless lives with. Wow, know we understand how people in our community with GEDs really deal with life. Look in the mirror and see someone pathetic looking back...GET A LIFE>>>Those same students are now enrolled in COLLEGE........Congratulations Kids and enjoy your graduation without the school politics and leaders talking about how great they are on stage. Its only a piece of paper (blank)..
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Please tell us about this burglary and cover-up.
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TaylorCountyCitizen, I have responded to your email, so I must have been spammed.
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I can't believe someone with grammar skills as poor as yours would ever make fun of someone with a GED, I doubt you even have that.
How do you know these people aren't part of the situation? You also don't know what they know about the law. You don't even know how to speak properly or with any class at all. You speak in anger and commend these students who have committed a crime. Either you are a parent who is sitting on his "lazy butt" refusing to make your student accountable, or your a moron, either way it's people like you that make Perry a joke to people with any sense at all.
If "it's only a piece of paper", then what's all the fuss about?
You've been asked to elaborate on your accusations of "burglary" and "cover-ups", any reason you haven't?
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that kind of elitist attitude really shows how much humanity you have,if someone dissagrees with you its ok to personaly attack them and denigrate people with geds,thats realy an enlightened opinion you have there maybe we should all just be quiet and let you speak for us cause we are so stupid and your so smart. college eh these kids need a course in personal responsibility and ethics.they desrved what they got
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Has anyone thought of boycotting the businesses of the parents of the prominent hoodlums? Perhaps if we cannot punish the children the way they ought to be punished, we could punish the parents. That way, someone will indeed be held accountable, and it will send a clear-cut message to those that follow that the community will not stand idly by while actions like this are carried out.
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you guys are unfair the school has been (pranked) every year. have you every thought that maybe your hoodlum was once involved . you people dont know these kids ,all of the parents dont have money and they are ordinary kids. whether you like it or not they will walk if not at tchs at tti grow up these are still kids.
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Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because someone does something criminal doesn't mean that folks that follow can also perform illegal acts.
It's kinda like "everybody is doing it - so it's ok".
The schools belong to the whole community not to just a few students - the reaction is more directed at the parents of the students than the students. You say these are just kids. Well, the parents are suppose to be adults and not condone this type of behavior - it is a slap in the face to the educators and the whole community when these types of actions are allowed to go without consequences.
You're right, the students can walk anywhere but TCHS.
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The school may have been pranked but they never crossed the line committing burglary like these kids did. If someone broke into these people's business and just looked around at night not taking anything but just making a mess, these same business people would be screaming bloody murder for that person to be prosecuted. Especially if it was a habitual offender. These kids crossed the line and because their parents are so called "prominent" business people in town they feel like their children are elite. They should stand up and take responsibiltiy for what their children did and maybe if they had applied some parental guidance they would not be where they are today.
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okay you say the students in the past years didnt commit buglary to get into the school. exactly how did they get in. and like i said before you people dont know all of the parents of these students some have none,one of the parents is handicaped and edlerly and some are dissappointed and have punished them to an extent but they can only go so far. are you people thinking in any godly manner everyone deserves a second chance. you people have threated them enough. I personally know almost all of these students and their parents and they wouldnt do this to any big business. And there parents are disaplining them. stay out of these peoles house holds and tend to you alls on families.
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These parents evidentially did not do as good a job at parenting as you think. I believe the students have admitted to being there most of the night doing this deed. If these parents had done as good a job as you say disciplining these students they never would have been out doing a deed. Back when I was growing up you got a paddling at school and you got your butt tore up at home when you made it home. Wake up "fairness" if a "crackhead" came into your home at night and made a mess, not taking anything you would want them prosecuted. These students broke the law and because of that they should be prosecuted. Now because of who these parents think they are within the community they are printing t-shirts and having their siblings wear them to school attempting to disrupt the system.
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Okay. For one thing in the past the pranks have not been inside of the building just in the courtyard is as far as they have been. So yes going in the school building it self is breaking and entering. And for another thing they do deserve a second chance but they need to be responsible for this one first. The parents knew exactly where their kids were and their problem is that they think that just because of who they are they shouldn't be punished like they were. Well wake up, you do the crime you do the time. They aren't any better than any other kid in that school. These parents that you know so well and say that they are punishing their kids are just upset b/c they are having to explain themselves now. And if you think that getting to go out all dressed up in your prom dress (since they weren't allowed at prom) getting your hair done and going out in Tallahassee in their stretch limo is punishment then I was definately doing something wrong when I grew up. When I got in trouble for doing something stupid like this I couldn't watch TV talk on the phone or hang out with my friends. And no one has gone into these peoples households, you need to get your facts straight before you go throwing stones.
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I do know the kids. And enough of them come from families with money that an attorney could easily be afforded for the group.
What was last year's prank? Did it involve breaking and entering, tresspassing, and criminal mischief?
Please understand that this is nothing personal against the kids or the parents. They're not being singled out or held to a harsher standard than anyone else. The issue is simply this... The principal of the school has the authority to make this decision. He has made the decision, and the complaints of parents aren't going to change his mind. It's time for everyone to just move on.
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smarty im sure it did if they got in the school to do the prank. they didnt get caught so it didnt blow up. but is it fair to do all of this to these kids and the classes before got nothing because they didnt get caught or maybe they werent trying hard enoughto catch them because there angel was involved.
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I feel sorry for the young adults that jeopardized their privilege to walk that they worked hard for all these years, but if they didn't realize the acts they were planning to commit were crossing the line of being just a prank, then the parents that knew what was going to happen should have stopped it. It is as much their fault as the students. Also, everyone keeps calling these students kids. These kids are only a year or two years away from being able to vote for our Commander in Chief and die for our country. There are young adults their age that get tried as adults for certain crimes, so if after all their years they have not learned that their is consequences for their actions and that you should be held accountable for your actions, then someone has dropped the ball and now the school board and the principle had to pick it up. Who you are and what you have should not allow you to be treated different than anyone else, and it seems that philosophy applied here and I hope that wheel of change continues in this community.
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If I'm not mistaken, some of these students were 18yrs old! Old enough to vote, etc.
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Hmmm .. I have tried to remain neutral on these because...what if it were my child? Well, if it were my child, I would not let them walk. I would be filled with remorse and shame whether my child was or not. Remove the fact that it happened at the school and just state ... it is breaking and entering. That's against the law folks. What else do you expect? I might expect charges to be filed...what about you? Why weren't charges filed? I don't care who the law enforcement look-out was...but he or she needs to be fired or charged. I have heard someone in the school system may have given them a key ... I don't care who it was, they should be fired and or charged. Get over, be remorseful, let your community know you are remorseful instead of threatening to file charges, and let it be an example for you and others ... grow on up and be the best you can be.
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see what you people fell to understand is you WERE NOT THERE. you dont for sure know that it was not a breaking and entering you are assuming and you know what assumind does. How do you know that those kids werent let in. you never know. so let these people make there own decisions and tend to your family. I sure hope your little angel dont mess up because were watchind you and will hold you accountable to your every word.
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OK fairness, I've seen your replies, you seem to be for the students, and that's your privilege. I know that the school was empty and these students knew they were not supposed to be there. I don't care if they came in with a key, I don't care if a window was opened. I agree that any party that helped the students was an accessory. If I went to a certain hardware store and poured syrup and glitter and glue and anything else that I could find on their sign, which is outside, if I were to be caught I would go to jail. These very people would prosecute me for vandalism, and trespassing, what is the difference. Why were these students not prosecuted, if they didn't have permission to be there?
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Wow. This is Taylor County at its finest. Do we really have nothing else to do than to talk about something that happened over 2 weeks ago? I guess that is just typical Perry not being able to let a drama filled story go. Maybe thats the reason that people are getting the wrong information about what actually happen that night because when Perry starts talking, stories get changed and people get the wrong information about what happen.
GROW UP!!!
I mean are we really sitting on this website talking about boycotting businesses?
Are the parents really embarrassing themselves more by putting up signs and getting T-Shirts made?
This just shows how small Perry really is and how sheltered our community is.
In the big picture of things in this world is anything that is being said on this website, on the other websites with a blog about this, or just in everyday chat between the citizens of Taylor County really relevant?
Personally I have no opinion about this situation because it did not happen to me and it did not happen to my family. It happen to 15 kids and the family of the 15 kids. And they are the ones that are going to have to live with the decision and the punishment of that decision for the rest of their lives.
The parents might have made a mistake by knowing what was going on and letting the kids do what they did without trying to stop them. But, seriously we are all humans and we all make mistakes.
Is any perfect?
These students and these families are the ones that will not be able to experience walking across the stage at graduation, and was not able to experience senior prom.
Does everyone on here remember their senior prom, and their graduation?
Maybe the punishment was too harsh or maybe these students got off easy for what they did. Who is it for the community to make they decision?
Congratulations to Mr. Oscar Howard, Mr. Michael Thompson, and the Taylor County School Board for coming to a punishment and sticking to that punishment, against community politics.
These are the people that we as a community has elected (except for Mr. Thompson) to office in order to ensure our students a good education and make decisions like this. If the punishment would have been more, then everyone would be talking about how harsh it was, if the punishment would have been less, then everyone would be talking about how little there students got.
There is no right decision for the punishment of what happen on that Thursday night. There are only opinions. Not only has the students been embarrassed, the parents been embarrassed, but now the community as a whole is being embarrassed.
This was not a posted in order to attack anyone, but to just enlighten the community on what is really going on now (2 weeks after what really happen). I was not in anyway trying to hurt anyones feelings or to put someone down, but really we have to realize what is going on. If you keep feeding oxygen to a fire, it will continue to burn and that is what we are doing
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There are two reasons everyone is still talking about this.
The first is that graduation has not yet taken place, so we're not really talk about a past event; we're talking about something ongoing.
The second is that the students involved--and their parents--are continuing to talk about it. They're coming to board meeting, meeting with administrators, and publicly protesting.
It's no surprise, then, that this issue continues to be discussed.
Would it be such a big deal in a bigger city? No, probably not. But we don't live in a bigger city; we live in Perry. And honestly, I *like* the fact that something like this can still be big news here.
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Like I said to end my comments I was not trying to offend anyone. But my argument
to the whole discussion was what are you gaining from still talking about it.
Yes, I know the parent and the students are still protesting this and are still talking about it. They are embarrassing themselves by doing this, and not even the fact that they are the ones that are directly involved in this situation (im no where near saying that I support the parents or the students).
My main point about my comments was the fact that: What do you or anyone on this site or any other site have to gain from calling for the students to be prosectuted or by still saying what the school board has already made a ruling on and that is they WILL NOT WALK?
Why start a blog to discuss it, the decision has been made.
I completely understand the 1st amendment and the fact that everyone has a right to voice their opinion and express free speech.
And, I can justify the reason the students, even though it may not be the best way to handle the situation, is still protesting the ruling and why they are still talking about it. They have a direct link to what happen and their parents have a direct link to what happen as it is their childrens feet that will not walk across the stage. (Yes, I know there are other reasons that parents are protesting but, I'm a little more mature to not bash someone over a website where they can not defend themselves directly)
But, for the people that are commenting on here about prosecuting more or the fact that they are making signs or even about boycotting businesses, I have one question. Why?... Why say these things on a blog, all that does it add oxygen to the fire and give the students that are protesting a leg to stand on and a reason the still protest.
Like in any news story around the world, if there isn't a concern for the story, there is no story.
I was in no way trying to tell someone not to express there 1st amendment right to free speech, I was just wanting everyone to ask their selves a question before they make a comment.
What do you really have to gain from saying anything at all, are you really losing sleep over this?
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That's what discussion forums are for. Discussion. Duh.
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I think that the kids should have gone to jail. They entered illegally and vandalized the place..
Any other place and they would havev been locked up..
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I have scanned the above comments and I would ascertain from them that we have a bunch of pious people in Perry. It is my understanding these students did not destroy anything. They moved chairs, put some vasoline on the doors and wound some toilet paper around. Big Whoop! They were probably just trying to outdo the class before them. I believe we do have to hold our children accountable for their actions but in my opinion the punishment was way too severe. I probably would have recommended they work in the community somewhere, not go to prom but to take away the right to walk with their Sr class after 12 years of hard work. That is just too much. I am praying this community settles down about this and the students are allowed to walk with their class. I feel they have been punished enough. I just wonder what other incidents have taken place during the year that are far more serious then this one, such as smoking pot in the parking lot and dealing drugs inside the school? Just seems, like this is just one more incident that substantiates the old saying, LIFE IS NOT ALWAYS FAIR. I am sorry for the studets and their parents. May this all pass quickly so they can get on with their lives.
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You are entirely wrong Joan, they did do damage. They entered illegally and disrupted class for all the students the next day. Yes I agree it was only a period and a half but realize the students in Taylor County need their education. It is also my understanding that some students even urinated in some teachers chairs. Please,what if someone broke into your home, ransacked it, urinated in your furniture but took nothing how would you feel ? You would be screaming for that person to be punished. Pranks are one things but burglary and such is another. These parents have their priorities wrong and these children are getting off a lot lighter than they should.
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Yes your "facts" are wrong...Maybe just shutting up and not giving a opinion on something you are only guessing about is the right thing to do.....Hmmmmm, what if we began talking about all the skeletons in "YOUR" closet??? NO rumors, but facts...
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To Mr. T.....I care not of the skeletons in my life are brought out...The fact any skeletons I have were not illegal, that is a fact...Get a life...As stated this is elitism at its best..Because Mommy and Daddy are well to do business owners here in Taylor County they think their children are above the law....And you know what ? They were..If a normal every day person were to commit such an act they would have been prosecuted.
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You might not feel the same way if you were there cleaning it up!
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You hit the nail on the head, Joan, when you wrote that "[t]hey were probably just trying to outdo the class before them."
This is a key factor in their punishment. They were trying to outdo prior classes, and next year's seniors will be tempted to outdo this year's prank. Hopefully, though, they'll think long and hard about whether they really want to put valuable senior experiences at risk. This doesn't mean they can't pull a prank--just that hopefully the prank won't involve breaking and entering, and won't distrupt school for several hours.
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Elitism at its finest moment. Thats what I am witnessing here in Taylor County. The so called elite individuals of society's children pulled a prank. They got caught and are having to pay for their crime. Oh no, because Mommy and Daddy own a hardware store, or are prominent business people in Taylor County these parents believe their children are above the law. They purchase signs and banners and hang them around the community. They want their children to ride their shirttails and not be punished for their wrong doing. As a taxpayer here in the local community it concerns me when these students are allowed to walk away with a slap on the hand. Mom and Dad whine because their students do not get to go to the prom or get to walk at Graduation. Can they not walk at the Votech graduation ? Since when did the law look at the person's status within the community and say I will not prosecute. Mom and Dads, your children screwed up. If some other students had done the same at these people's places of business, such as a hardware store, a building supply store, or a place of business, these very same people would be screaming for prosecution. I am sorry you elitist society in Taylor County but your children deserve to be punished. I think it is time for the good people of Taylor County to take a stand and begin boycotting these businesses who think their children are above society and the law. I am also issuing a challenge to each of the school board and superintendent candidates to each one personally come on board and say where you stand on this issue. Jim Ed Brannan(D), Paul Dyal (D), Wanda Kemp (D),Dr. Horace F. McLeod (D),
Jimmy Mincy, Jr. (R) to come on this platform and say where you stand on this issue. I personally challenge Shelby Gibson to do the same. We know where the incumbents stand. Wake up people, lets show this town that everyone is created equal!!
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I'm with you T Mac. I'm starting by boycotting Ragans Ace hardware.
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Sorry, but I'm out of the loop here lately....Who is Shelby Gibson? And was do they have to do with it? I really don't know!
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Gibson is a candidate for School Board
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I have become tired of the whining and lies told by people who don't know the truth about the entire situation or who have been directed to add comments by the sorry/two faced school board or school acting principle. No they could not have been charged criminally because of the way the entire situation was handled. And two there are too many other (handled under the table by Thompson) incidents that would be brought out into the light. No not all parents knew of the prank that was planned, so please get your facts right "BEFORE" you ASSUME..I hope you know what that means...Yes, boycott these businesses you are talking about, but also remember not to go and beg or assume for a discount on items because of who "you" are (board members, superintendent, or teachers in the school system) using your title and wanting something for free..Yes the children did wrong, but enough is enough when it comes to pointing fingers and punishment..Instead of standing in the dark and pointing your fingers, how bout telling these same people who you are and why you believe everything our self appointed judges (superintendent, school board, principle, and deans) have lied about. Ask them about "other" true burglaries and thefts at the school and how they were so-called handled for the students best interests....Maybe even the one that occurred three days later that Harvey and Thompson covered up !!!!
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Some of us may know more about the situation than you think.
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1. Prom Dress $325.00
2. Tux Rental $125.00
3. Senior Trip $1,800.00
Burglarizing a school, not being able to walk at graduation, being suspended 10 days and loosing $2,250.00, all the while NOT receiving a FELONY Record.
*******PRICELESS********
For everyone else theres prison time!!!!
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Punish the kids for what they did, it was wrong and it wouldn't have been tolerated by any Taylor county principal, school board or superintendant in the past. But would these past school officials have been as broad in their scope of punishment? You have got to admit, it is not just one punishment, it is a list of them. What is this teaching young people? I would hope it is teaching them that wrong-doing has consequences and that life sometimes is not fair. But then again, it may be teaching them that working hard towards graduation for 12 years is really not worth it because the reward of pomp and circumstance can be taken away by any act of rebellion. Is this going to be a deterant to any future illegal acts by seniors, or will it cause them to hold the ceremony of graduation in less esteem?
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Or maybe these seniors can have their own ceremony like their prom. Hey, if Ms. Amanda Clark has the room available, some of the parents of the students who can't walk can call out the names of these students, hand them mock diplomas, take pictures, and congratulate them on a job well done. Accept responsibility for your actions and move on, that is what adults should do. Or are you kids now hiding behind mom and dad? You can't have it both ways. This should be a great life lesson learned. Too many young people (from all classes, races, and school grades) want us to hold their hands, coddle them, not hold them accountable for bad behavior, and still give them everything they want without any responsibility. Life's hard and not fair. GET OVER IT!!!!! Here's a thought--arrest the parents for their child's behavior. They are minors, aren't you still responsible for their actions?
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Having a ceremony for just the offending students is not sending a message that crime has consequences. That is a message to them stating that they can do whatever they want, go ahead violate law and we will get you out of it..
One of the parents went into the school and threw a checkbook at the principal and asked how much it was going to take to get their child of of the trouble..
The principal in not so many words said that there is no amount of money that would fix the problem....... CUDOS to Mike Thompson.
What he should have done is took the money and then called the police and had the parent arrested for bribery.... now that would have sent a message and I would have liked to have been on the jury.. I would have voted to convict him... I do not like the elitist mentality of most of the parents of the children involved....
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Please get a life and stop talking about things you have heard from someone else or what you want to make up..Priceless would be you getting a job and not living on this page trying to justify your time in life....Look in your own backyard and see how high the grass is..........Whatta loser trying to make oneself feel important..
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Rumor was, that is what those seniors did for their prom.
One of the parents said "No one is above the law" yet when HIS daughter got in trouble, he was the first one to come to her defense wanting this to just go away. So I guess he meant "no one but his daughter is above the law"!!!
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I was extremely disappointed yesterday at Big Grassy Island to see many of the teens involved in this out drinking all day. Along with several other teens from 15 to 18, all underage. I told one of the boat "Captains" that alcohol was leaving his boat to these minors and he totally denied it. I saw one of the 16 year olds again at the football Jamboree last night and she could hardly stand. There have been no lessons learned.
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Please get your facts straight!!!! Many of these same youth (which only 15 were involved, not including the teacher that knew) were NOT at grassy. But rather with their families at church function or out of town visiting the colleges their are about to attend..So please don't run your mouth about what you "think" you know. And to ask you the question - Were you out there drinking too ??? Hmmmmmmmm People in glass houses should not throw stones !!
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I guess many may not be the correct word. Specifically 3 of the 15 plus 3 more 16 year olds that were not involved. How about too many. No one on my boat was drinking. I choose not to drink, it's your choice should you desire as long as you're 21. Contributing to a minor is wrong at any age and we should know that. None of the 6 had any business driving and I know at least 2 of them did. Parents, take off your blinders and see what your children are doing. I'm not casting stones just tired of our young people dieing in senseless accidents every year. God knows my house has enough cracks in it.
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I didn't see that but I guess i was too busy looking for my valentine.
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Does law enforcement patrol Grassy? The Sheriff has a Coastal Unit don't they? Does FWC patrol grassy?
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You may or may not see Law Enforcement on the water. When they are out they usually don't stop at Grassy. They are checking mostly for safety equipment and floatation devices but at Grassy there are so many people in the water and not on boats it's just not productive for them. They are usually out checking those fishing.
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In my personal opinion it is quite pathetic that someone would waste their time talking about other people's children on the internet. If you have that big of a problem with it, then stay away from it. Do not try to start more rumors on the web. Thanks and get a life.
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In my humble opinion it is never a waste of time to save the life of a child. If I can stop a drunk, underage child from getting behind the wheel of a car I will do it every time. I was there and saw this with my own eyes. According to Webster this does not qualify as a rumor it is fact. I have not mentioned names so unless you have a guilty conscience what's the problem. Remember, the child I save may be yours!
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People please grow up..Its done and over with..Thank God many of the students involved are going to college away from this town..We have really showed our true colors when it comes time to being true Christians.....Congratulations Students and a mast majority are happy your going on with your young adult teachings at great teaching institutes.
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It is so nice to know that we do have people with positive attitudes in our community that can see that these students made a mistake but that they should not let this mistake ruin their lives. They can pick themselves up and move on.
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Here's what I think: the people involved, students and adults alike, are indeed criminals. Yes, they broke the law. Yes, they got off easy. But hey, that's Perry for you.
I think a lot of the emotion that this issue stirs up stems from the fact that the punishment "did not fit the crime." Of course, this is somewhat vague as people on opposite sides have argued that it was either too harsh or too lenient. Can't we just compromise? The kids got punished. Whether or not it was significant to prevent this kind of behavior in the future, the point is action was taken. The event has been acknowledged. Really, that's probably all these kids were looking for--a bit of recognition. Now, perhaps they're satisfied. Perhaps they'll do it again. Perhaps not. The punishment they receive has nothing to do with anything they do in the future. What matters is how this recognition affects them. Believe it or not, individuals are greatly influenced by their environment, and it's obvious that this bad publicity will not go over well with them. In my opinion, these kids are bright enough to realize that "pranks" like this aren't funny and only cost people time and money. Sending them to jail would just be doing the same thing: it would cost the taxpayers more money and would deprive these kids of a chance to redeem themselves. I'm not condoning their misguided behavior in any way; all I'm saying is that they got what they got and we need to let it go. The parents need to definitely shape up and pound some sense into their heads, but that's their business.
As for the suggestion to boycott the parents' businesses...well, that's just silly. This is America-we thrive on capitalism and many of these businesses are vital to the economic stability of the county, and by extension our great nation. So let's maybe try to eradicate the anarchist undertones, eh?
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No anarchist undertones...sometime you just have to wake people up and hit them where it hurts...Yes we live in a wonderful country that thrives on capitalism and I would have it no other way..However the elitist type people and parents we are dealing with here this is the only way to get their attention. Because we have supported them over the years and looked up to their parents they feel we must look up to them also...Not me, they have to earn their status in our County as their fathers and mothers did...I for one intend to boycott said businesses and urge the rest of the community to do so..Not once have these parents came forth and apologized for the hurt their students have placed on the other students..All we hear is woe is ur children they are being punished for a crime they committed.
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Please boycot the businesses. Believe me it won't hurt them, mainly because you "never" shop there.....And how do you know what the parents ever said? Again, stop playing god on your computer and get a life...See you at the JR Store buying your beer T Mac...
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Sounds like I struck a chord...Yes boycott those very same businesses and hit thos eelitist where it hurts..The select few who think they run Taylor County need to sit back and realize it is the little people who make them who they are...No, I do not have to shop at that hardware store..I can just as quickly go to Wal-Mart and purchase that same item. Why did I purchase before from that store ? Because I try to keep my money in the local economy...No more, when these people realize I am their equal and that they are not above society and that they are not above the law. No one is playing "God" just simply speaking the truth.
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ATTENTION: Some bloggers are starting to post actual names of the students involved. FYI, I will not allow the names of the minor students to be published. The parents who have publicly came out in objection are different, but even their students names are prohibited. Thanks.
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I suppose the Senior prank is old news by now but my thought on the subject is: Maybe the school should implement a policy of "peer review". The offending students, no matter what the problem, would appear before a Judge and jury of their peers along with "student lawyers". These judges/lawyers would be students who take their positions seriously and preside over the "court" within the ground rules of the Education Standards.
In this case the students should be spending the summer painting, scrubbing, mowing, planting and other community service. Leaving them out of the graduation programs only deprived them of a privilege earned, it did not drive home the meaning of responsibility for actions thoughtlessly taken.
If picking up trash prevents them from going on vacation that is a lesson learned!
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This system is already in place. It's called Teen Court and is held in the Courthouse as needed monthly. I'm not sure of the criteria used to schedule.
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I honestly can not believe how ridiculous this all is. I no longer live in Perry (thank God) but someone who still does told me about this site. I see that there is still nothing to do in that wast of space on earth, po-dunk town. Do you honestly believe that what these kids did is the worst thing possible. Go spend a week at an inner city High School and tell me how bad this prank really was. Get over it and get a damn life...it wasan't even your kids!
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So you took the time to come here and criticize the town we've chosen to live in? That's pretty obnoxious.
The fact that it wasn't our kids is moot; it was OUR school, paid for with OUR tax dollars. And it *was* our kids whose education was interrupted for hours while the school was cleaned up.
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Bored to tears, maybe this is not your home but it is ours....we have chosen to stay and reside here...We may be a "podunk" town as you call it but we are the strength of America...Only here in a town like this can we count on our neighbors when times are touch. When we lose a loved one we can depend on friends for shoulders to cry on...The reason inner city schools are like they are is because there is no discipline handed down. Here in this "podunk" town we still spank our children and raise our children right...Yes, we have issues, yes we have drug problems but here in this "podunk" town as you call it we are happy and have chosen to make it our home. So as you said we are over it....We have moved on and the children have been punished. Remember the lyrics to the song written and performed by Montgomery Gentry.."This is My Town!!
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AMEN!
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Finlay. Thank you T. Mac! Someone says it like it is. We may not all agree on politics or pranks or growth and if you are a Republican or a Democrat, a tree hugger or hunter. But we can all agree that this is our town and we will protect it and if you don't like it stay away, don't come back we don't need you. We may be slow at change, we may be a little behind the times but we are making our way and we will get there! Stand back and watch us, but do not get in our way.
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yea what he said
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I actually was just informed of this forum about my life. I'm glad you all cared enough about me and my friends to write about us for months. You made us famous in oursmalltown, and you were right we did want to out-do all the other Senior Pranks, and with yall's support we did! you all helped us achieve our goal, and I want to thank u for it and let you know that we all keep in touch and laugh about the memories we made that night and wish we could re-live it. We are all now succeeding in college making good grades and are that much closer to starting our adult lives outside of Taylor County. Thanks for making our memories the memories of everyone else in our town as well. We all wish we could go back to the days of our "punishment" where we tortured poor little Mrs. Ellis who was so psycho. You know I actually left school at 9 am everyday at the ole' slotech and took a nap before work. The punishment you all pushed for was a breeze. The punishment we should have gotten was to clean up what we did. But the people you all elected were too stupid to think of that. Because believe me, moving all those desks BACK to where they came from on two hours of sleep would have made me cry, but since im such an "Elite" person you know I dont have to clean up after myself. I have people below that to do that for me! I hope you all are just as apalled to read this as I was to see that you have no lives and want to live through mine. Thanks! -Unconvicted Felon.
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You my young friend are a joke, one day when you grow up you will see your troubled ways in what you did as a child, not young adult like you state. You may well be getting good grades and going to college, but you have so much to learn about maturity and just plain growing up, your selfish statements were just that of a spoiled child, whose parents always allowed you to do and get away with everything, no this town did not make you famous, you made yourself the talk of how stupid you and your friends were that night. If you had any compassion about you or self respect you would be apologizing on this site instead of displaying the child that you truly are.
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With all due respect, the "elite" don't go to TTI.
I have some fond memories of high school myself. Things like walking at graduation with all of my friends. How was YOUR graduation?
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What you did is nothing to be proud of. Your lack of remorse must be what the school board and others observed first hand, and the bad behavior of some of the "prankster's" parents.
I hope you have moved on and are acting more mature. As you can see no one has written about you for "months". You are not hailed as a great example of our community, you and your parents are evrything that is wrong with Perry.
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stumbled across this site a day the other day and wow. i never realized how hateful the people of perry really can be. they were only children...
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There's nothing hateful about expecting people to face the consequences of their actions.
And at 17 and 18 years old, they couldn't quite be classified as "children."
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every 17 and 18 yr old ive ever met has acted like a child. just because at 18 you are a legal adult doesnt mean you are an adult. but yeah man, there are some pretty mean comments on here. take the time to read it. sure there are some good opinions on here. but that doesnt change the fact that alot of mean things were said about these minors and all this will be here for a very long time.
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Things do have a way of devolving around here sometimes, unfortunately.
And I agree that most people in their late teens still act like kids these days (although it wasn't that way with my grandparents' generation, which was getting married and fighting wars at that age).
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yea, our grandparents were pretty rad.
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Well, how can you expect the kids to have respect for the school when you have all of the corruption and cronyism with the school system, in its newest form by Dyal and company and the school board. All of the cover-ups, the creating of jobs for cronys, the alternative lifestyles of administrative staff, the drinking, the WAIT instructor getting knocked up, it goes on and on. The kids see this and do not respect the schools, the school board, teachers and certainly not the head potentate and charlatan DYAL!
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should they see this and have respect? we didnt get to pick how the schools were run. so, if were fucked up, your to blame.
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I would like to start out by saying there are some good, constructive opinions on this thread. Some people however, use this site as a place for trash talking rather then "getting to the truth." It is really kind of disgusting how this town gossips. Also I have heard that the latest senior class has pranked the high school. From what I have heard they vandalized the school every bit as much as the 2008 class. Looks like nobody really learned any real lessons other then keeping their mouths closed this time.
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If you know who they are, you should call the school, I bet they would dish out the same punishment or worse to send a better message.
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I wonder if the group of 15 from before had anything to do with it. You never know.
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I have not heard of any "prank", but I will check with my sources and see what is up. We all have to realize that we are now in a new era of Dyal and he likely is creating a world-class cover-up. Nothing would have happened last time if Mike Thompson was not enforcing the rules. If there has been a "prank" like the last one the kids should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, I doubt however any prank has been elevated to the felony breaking and entering done by the 2008 class members and I doubt any current prank would have local law enforcement (both PPD and TCSD) acting as lookouts. The 2008 prank was really a bad thing. The only thing worse than the 2008 prank itself was the behavior of the pranksters and parents of pransters when they were "caught". Maybe there needs to be a "where are they now" blog entry! LOL! I bet these "good kids" are setting the world on fire or seeking a MRS. degree or living an alternative lifestyle out of the eyes of Perry residents.
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Does anyone know where the 2008 pranksters are, did they do it, lets do our research and see if the group of 15 from 2008 what they are doing and how their lives are now, .
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You poor lost souls who constantly question the ability or lack of such of our Elections Supervisor performing her duties, fear not my friends. She is the only person I want to count our precious votes and thanks to our Creator he has given us this beautiful lady with the strength and knowledge to perform this important task in keeping our voice in a democratic society. Dana Southerland is among the brightest and best our state has in public office. Her honesty is unquestionable! Thanks also to the voters of our great county whom placed her there. Proof enough that we do care who leads us into a bright future. Amen and amen!
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That's idle workship. The pun is intented
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Regardless of the nature of Ms. Southerland, she should not count her husband's votes, plain and simple. I do not think the voters "placed" her there, it was more of an annointing by the prior supervisor of elections. This also did influence how voter's voted in this county, if Ms. Southerland was/is as godly as you say, she would not have used such a questionable tactic. So I really would not trust her judgement at all. I hope she "slips" and gets caught and we can have a fair election for the supervisor of elections next go around. Ms. Southerland's actions in the clerk's office years ago was questionable as well, when she did things for her husband when he sued individuals, so do not applaud someone without knowing where all of their skeletons are stored. BTW why is this entry here, are you stating that Ms. Southerland's character is such her child could not be one of the pranksters?
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So according to you then Mr. Ralph Carlton and Mrs. Annie Mae Murphy and Mr. Billy Lavalle must have been crooked because she worked for all of them, so with that statement you must feel that all public officials must be crooked, IALMAO at you. lol
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"I do not think the voters "placed" her there"......DUH! Did God place her there then? Must have since he is incharge and the voters have no say. And keep talking, I really do want to see how low you can go with this!
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ditto to areyoustupidorsomething said , lol
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Boy the Southerland minons are out like bugs this evening. I think the point by the blogger was the fraudulent influencing of votes, duh! Of course Ms. Southerland got the most votes, she worked there and had Molly campaigning for her. If Carlton, Murphy and Lavalle let her do something inappropriate then YES. BTW we know Annie Mae is crooked and tries to practice law, we know under the Lavalle era there was money falling out of files and stealing as well. This does not appear to me to be clerks who are doing the job.
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DoYouReallyWantMeToGoOn wrote: "This does not appear to me to be clerks who are doing the job."....Well my friend here is some friendly advice.... Take your head out and get some sunshine and maybe you'll see things better! And you outlook on life will become better too!....I can't believe I'm not charging for this.
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So why don't you run for one of these offices and change the world, cause then all 4 people on TCT can bash you lololol
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You mean there's 4 people on here. Let's see, there's Gomer and Goober and you and me. Yeap, thats 4 people. Sorry I doubted you. My Bad!...lol
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To the other two, please explain how talking about public record, and the recorded actions of a Board member are bashing him. It's factual history how they voted, what questions they asked, or didn't ask. The result of their actions are also public record. Facts are not bashing. Will one of you two tell us exactly what it is this board has done, that makes you want to vote for the incumbent, without mentioning donations, t-shirts, or Church Attendance, while nice and noble gestures, they are not reasons to be on the School board.
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Hey Gomer and friends....In case you guys didn't know it....this blog is about the school prank that happened in 2008. If ya'll weren't so busy trying to out dumb each other about the school board race you might have noticed it yourselves. Just for the record, you don't have to say where you work but if ya'll do have jobs...what are your vocations....what type of jobs do you do?.....I'm trying to understand where your mentality is coming from...anyone a rocket scientist, brain surgeon, etc....all answers will be kept anonymous...just like your bloggers name...I promise...lol
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Thanks for the blog etiquette lesson, but please humor me, just answer the question, don't change the subject, you tell me what this board has done to deserve re-election, without talking about t-shirts, donations, or Church membership. Oh and if you'll look up several messages you'll see the connection between the two blogs.
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Has Southerland been operating on behalf of these new prankters? It would be par for the course. How much covering up is Dyal doing.
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