City Wants 98 Bar Closed.
According to the paper, the City Council voted last week to file a lawsuit asking a judge to declare 98 Bar a public nuisance and to order it closed. What do you think about that? Do you think it is a good idea? Do you think it will set a precedence for future business closures the city finds a "nuisance"? Do you think they are giving the owners the necessary support to make it better and safer? These are just some conversation starters, please move in any direction you feel.
It is a bar...
Merriam Webster "Barroom: a room or establishment whose main feature is a bar for the sale of liquor"
Excessive consumption of alcohol=unruly/violent behavior=nuisance
I think that the proprietor should be given a reasonable amount of time to make appropriate changes such as the installation of adequate lighting in the parking lot and the prohibition of loitering in the parking areas. I do think we all know of at least one tragedy that might have been prevented if such measures had been in place
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I believe Mr. Blue that you "must" read the paper every now and then. So maybe you have seen that there have been several attempts to make the owner of the bar correct the problems. So why make the statement that you did about giving him time?? Have you lost your mind? Close the bar and push it over......Again, thanks for going to the dictionary to give meanings, I think we have the picture...
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What I meant was an ultimatum should be issued to the owner saying that if X improvements are not made, the establishment will be closed in X days. No room for negotiation, do it or be closed down.
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They should close all the bars. Do you really think that all of this don't go on at the other bars in town. Do you really think that these people are not drinking when they leave or selling drugs. Come on people....Now they will leave the 98 and go to the other ones. Let's see what will happen!
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You may be right, but the 98 Bar is a great first step!
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CLOSE IT!
In April 2008 the shooting death of 17-year-old Deonta King at the 98 Bar in Perry. Twenty one year old Michael Upshaw, Jr. was arrested for the murder.
A little more than a week earlier, Howard Miller was arrested for shooting 22-year-old Richard Porter at that same 98 Bar in Perry. Porter survived.
I say close it. One less bar will do Perry good. Also, I think a lot has been done over the years to make that place better but nothing works.
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Yes it should be closed, enough said
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Need to go ahead and get the city and or county to close the 27 bar down too. The caliber of that establishment is almost as bad as the 98. It's kind of sad that the quality night life spots are the Beach bar and the Rocky creek bar.
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The city should contnue moving towards declaring the business a nuisance. It has been a blight on this community for too long. The crime that has been associated with this business, in my opinion, does not warrant any additional time for the owner to make imrovements. The owner has shown his inability or due diligence in preventing problems associated with the operation of such a business. Our community standards, which prevent other businesses from operating in the city should apply to this business as well. I understand the slipery slope of this issue, but with the related crime, it needs to apply to this business.
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I missed that article. How does the law work in this situation? How and by whom is "nuisance" defined?
The bar is a blight on the community, but does that give the city the right to shut it down?
If the owner is failing to follow laws or ordinances, then surely he should be held accountable. But to what extent should the owners of private businesses be blamed for the actions of people who are out of the owner's control? If a fight breaks out in the Wal-Mart parking lot, could Wal-Mart be deemed a nuisance and shut down? If not one fight, how many does it take?
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That is a good point. Things are always going on in the Save-A-Lot parking lot at night, but Save-A-Lot hasn't been labeled a nuisance and shut down.
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I strongly feel everyone needs to come together and pray , nobody can change the past close the 98 bar and hwy 27 bar. People really have no positive places to go on family outings for the evening. one thing we can all do is go to church and pray for better in the community , then maybe the law will do whats right, instead of turning thier heads.We need a law enforcement policy and procedure that will be carried out, and more truthful officers not just riding around crusing because they can.Change is coming, Tony Chambers may be our change. May God bless and keep you all.
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pLEASE GET A LIFE GIRL !!! gOOD TRY AT TRYING TO GET A VOTE, BUT REMEMBER mR. CHAMBERS WAS ALSO CRUSUISING AROUND IN A PATROL CAR JUST LOOKING THE OTHER WAY...cHANGE WOULD DO HIM GOOD.... fIND A JOB AND STAY AT IT.....tIFFANY, WELL YOU JUST NEED TO GROW UP...
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I really came back to see just how immature people are, you telling me to grow up , you grow up, eveybody know how it is in perry. Peopl leave message online, then you get a smart ass trying to leave comment., No i'm not trying to get a vote. I'm not going to bite my tongue either. What do you suggest about the police force, if people like who told it was telling me to grow up spend more time trying to be positive than hating on a comment then this page would not be online, oh , I have a job a good one, I could find you one, and a life since you have not!! How does it feel to be a hater, I will never know
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A change is needed,but it won't be tony chambers.He didn't do nothing about this problem while he was a deputy,what makes you think he's going to do something now.He was on patrol in this county as a deputy and never made no arrest at the 98 bar,further more this is in the city limits doesn't the city police have a job to do also.Everyone is bashing the county's law enforcement for all the problem's not being solved,if you look at the paper,where's most of the problems happening in the city.I remember a few years back the problem's was at the FLAT TOP bar,it shut down,now you have another spot that has had several incidents at the 98&27 bar.Who's the blame the owners,the one's consuming alchol,or the one that start's the problem,oh i forgot it's the county's fault that these thing happen.
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Well who do you suggest
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Trey, I believe you are right about the 98 bar, they should give the owner time to get x straight in a certain amount of x days. But about the save alot deal, i'm in save alot all the time but your not there,so how do u know whats goin on? There is probably talk that goes around but can u always believe it? I'm not tryin to be disrespectful because i know you and we're cool with each other. But i was just curious about your opinion on that comment about save alot.
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I hear you. A lot of the times what "goes on" is hearsay and I did overstate that, but you know just as good as I do that their have been.. errr.. incidents up there in the past. I personally do not have a problem with people hanging up there, it isn't my thing, but "whatever floats your boat." When it comes down to it though, if the city starts cracking down on loitering at the local bars, that is going to carry over to Save-a-Lot regardless of my opinion. Hopefully it will not have to get to that point. By the way, next time you see me in person give me a shout.
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Yea you are right, there has been fights up there, and again...i agree with you, if the city crakcs down on the loitering at the local bars we are gonna have a big problem over in save alot. And i'm like you i hope that never happens. There will sure enough be alot of trouble going on up there. And really i wish that this city would start cracking down and give us younger people something to do. It just seems like its getting worse year after year. But yea i'll give you a shout when i see you next time.
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To Chuck
You act like you know so much and own the county but I also vote for the Sheriff's race and I expect the Sheriff to help the city out. He gets as many voted from people in the city as he dose the county. I didn't vote for any one running for Sheriff in the primairy but this time I'm voting for Change, not because I think Mr. Chambers is the best but I believe he's better than what we have now. Mr. Bummy Williams has just quit and let's anyone do anything including his on staff.
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I don't think I know so much or own this county but I've lived here all my life and I what the truth mean's.I've lived in the city as much as I've lived in the county,what matters is that I'm a citzen of this county and know a snake in the grass when I see one.Just like the other people said WHERE was tony at all these year's and where at it sure wasn't in taylor county where he says he cares so much for.He's going to do this and do that,he can't do no more than the budget will let him do.I've known him as long as he been here and he hasn't changed abit,and the people of this county know's the same thing.So know all of a sudden he what's to ask this county for a job as serious as SHERIFF.I don't think so,my whole family will be voting for the one that has been here for this county thru think& thin.GO BUMMY GO
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The city has been patient with the 98 Bar long enough. The city could have moved to have closed it down sometime ago, but was willing to work with owner. The owner doesn't seem to be operating in bad faitb. He just doesn't seem to get that he needs to be more proactive over improving the security of the place. Again, the city has been patient. However, the continued violent incidents make it a public nuisance. It's time to shut this one down. Enough is enough.
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I understand what you're saying, but I don't like dealing with vagaries. I'm trying to figure out *exactly* how it's determined that a business has become a public nuisance. I'm sure this is something all business owners would like to know.
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The Florida Statutes is the place to look for this information: 823.01 Nuisances; penalty.--All nuisances that tend to annoy the community, injure the health of the citizens in general, or corrupt the public morals are misdemeanors of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.083, except that a violation of s. 823.10 is a felony of the third degree.---------->
823.10 Place where controlled substances are illegally kept, sold, or used declared a public nuisance.--
(1) Any store, shop, warehouse, dwelling house, building, structure, vehicle, ship, boat, vessel, or aircraft, or any place whatever, which is visited by persons for the purpose of unlawfully using any substance controlled under chapter 893 or any drugs as described in chapter 499, or which is used for the illegal keeping, selling, or delivering of the same, shall be deemed a public nuisance. No person shall keep or maintain such public nuisance or aid and abet another in keeping or maintaining such public nuisance. Any person who willfully keeps or maintains a public nuisance or willfully aids or abets another in keeping or maintaining a public nuisance, and such public nuisance is a warehouse, structure, or building, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(2) Any proceeding brought under this section shall be governed by chapter 60.
also read 823.05
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?submenu=-1&Tab=statutes
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As a former Perry Police Department Officer I can attest that the 98 Bar is a nuisance and does nothing but breed drugs and violence. Some of the comments on here appall me, in reference to the job law Enforcement is doing at or around the bar. The people commenting on here and the people in the community do not know what we deal with or the stipulations we face. All you know is what you are told by fellow citizens and what you see, your perception. If I’m not mistaking everyone’s perception is different, making everyone’s feelings different about this issue. I’m not saying here that there is a right or wrong answer but I can tell you many horror stories.
I remember on numerous occasions while on duty just riding around the bar a few times and then all getting out and walking around. Go pull case reports (Information Reports) there has been numerous times we have just walked around and walked through the bar, causing the drug dealers to throw down or hide their narcotics. Well what did we do, we took them and placed them into evidence, completing a report each time. Our presence alone whether it was just driving around or walking around the bar has detruded many fights or many drug deals. It has also taken many drugs off the street. I know that the Officers do all that they can, but it is obviously not enough. I know that no matter how many people you arrest or how many bars you close, the dealers and scum bags will find another place or another person to promote to dealing drugs. This is just life and how it is. There will never be and end to the drugs, but through aggressive Law Enforcement practices it can be tamed.
Also for the person that stated that this was the City’s deal and not the Counties. You are far wrong my friend. We work together in our line of work, it would be stupid for three Officers to approach a bar where 200 or more intoxicated people congregate. That is why the County steps in to assist the City it is called a Mutual Aid agreement. Do not know the police in your town, I assure you the work effortlessly to take care of the problems and what do they get for that…nothing but criticism. Until you, Joe Citizen put on our boots, vest and gun for a night. Until you kiss your wife or husband goodbye, not knowing if it will be your last time, do not try to place blame on these Officers. They do what you do not want to, they run towards the fight when you are running away. Have some respect and give them the credit they deserve. The 98 Bar has its problems, however it is not ever person that frequents the bar it is just like any other establishment there are those select few that cause a problem for everyone and to me that would be the responsibility of the business owner to keep out the problem children.
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The cities drug problem is not contained to the 98 Bar. They are only guilty of being a lower-class establishment who doesn't care who drinks there as long as they pay for the beer. It's the police departments JOB to investigate drug dealers and clean this city up. The thugs and gangsters are hanging out at 98 Bar for the most part just having a good time. That's not anything new. Do some work and catch a shipment coming in, or go find a meth lab. All the city is wanting to do is put cameras in the 98 Bar so they can spy on their patrons. I say go do your own stakeout.
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CLOSE IT! It's most definately a public nuisance. Yet another shooting there today, what more do I have to say?!
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We have all discussed this before. I am beginning to think like most folks in the county, as long as it happens on that side of the highway, I do not care. When our mayor and other powers grow tired of the crime, they will do something.
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I would like to see what everybody thinks about the shooting on 98 the other day.
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What I think is that those in the community that know these murdering individuals and know where they are should come forward and turn them in and allow justice to be served. No matter what side of town or who's community it happens in, as long as they turn a blind eye and hide these types of individuals, the more comfortable they will be to commit a crime. If they were turn on them immediately, then the comfort level would be much lower and they would know they had no where to go but jail. Just my opinion. I am also considering starting a topic regarding the shooting and posting pictures of the two individuals, if I can find some, until they are caught.
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Last night, just another example of why this cesspool needs to be closed for good! You have to wonder what the heck passes for good behavior in the black community!
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