Dress Code For Taylor County Schools.
concernedparent wants to start the following discussion:
I would like to start a discussion on the dress code for Taylor County schools. As a parent of 3 teenagers , I have felt the sting from this.
I feel strongly that if they are going to enforce such a strict dress code , why not just make them wear uniforms?
My children have told me that if you do not wear certain name brand clothes at school , then you get treated differently. My kids have come home actually crying because of the way they have been treated. Their grades have even dropped and I am having serious problems with depression and anxiety of not even wanting to go to school anymore because she feels like she just cannot fit in.
I would like to know what other parents think. I don't think I am the only one who is having problems like this.
I feel that putting them in uniforms would eliminate some of these problems. I sure bet that grades would come up and more of them would be passing the FCAT.
Kids can be very, very cruel these days. I just feel that this would be a good way to fight back.
Anyone interested?
I would like to start a discussion on the dress code for Taylor County schools. As a parent of 3 teenagers , I have felt the sting from this.
I feel strongly that if they are going to enforce such a strict dress code , why not just make them wear uniforms?
My children have told me that if you do not wear certain name brand clothes at school , then you get treated differently. My kids have come home actually crying because of the way they have been treated. Their grades have even dropped and I am having serious problems with depression and anxiety of not even wanting to go to school anymore because she feels like she just cannot fit in.
I would like to know what other parents think. I don't think I am the only one who is having problems like this.
I feel that putting them in uniforms would eliminate some of these problems. I sure bet that grades would come up and more of them would be passing the FCAT.
Kids can be very, very cruel these days. I just feel that this would be a good way to fight back.
Anyone interested?
I agree 100% about dress code. I think that rather than the stuffy "UNIFORMS" they should implement the blue jeans (of choice) and a plain white tee OR plain blue tee. Shoes of choice within reason of course. That way there is a code to stand by but everyone is dressed the same.
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I support this move 100%; there is ample evidence of the advantages of uniforms.
Unfortunately, there are a number of parents who *want* their kids to wear expensive brand-name clothes to school, and would fight such a move. The question is, are those parents in the minority?
By all means, speak to your school board member and let him or her know how you feel. You might also want to talk to the two candidates for superintendent and see what their positions on the issue are.
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Please read in some other of the political discussion groups where posters to this blog think that uniforms are the first step toward communism and object to the concept.
It is really irrevelent what the parents want - wearing uniforms would prevent the kind of situations you describe, wearing uniforms reduces crime and gang related incidents.
The parents that get self-esteem from wanting their kids to wear expensive clothes for social reasons are sick and shallow individuals and will pass these narrow and harmful traits onto their children and on and on and on.
The school board is there to make policy not boot-lick certain parents.
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True, of course. But parents vote, and school board members are elected; there's always going to be some boot-licking.
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I will wager that those parents are in the numerical minority. A good show of force by parents would get the job done in my opinion. There are a couple of school boards members who heed the voice of reason.
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It is a great idea! Maybe after the Oscar era the school system could move towards a dress code, it has been suggested previously, but no action has been taken.
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Majority of parents agree with you Dan, but as you said Oscar (whatta waste of our money) has let this issue get out of hand. Because of his so-called leaders at the H.S. (Thompson & Harvey) they only pick which policies or groups they want to enforce. I have been standing beside Harvey & Thompson when they are getting on a student for a hat on, when at the same time they are cutting up with another student "Totally" out of the dress code with a shirt and pants down to their knees. Hmmmm maybe we need to just fire all the dead weight and enforce what we have "always" had in our system. Thanks again Oscar for lining your pockets and talking out of both sides of your fat mouth....
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As a student who has been at TCHS under Thompson for more than 3 years, I find your hyperbole extremely irritating. The principal cannot be expected to personally enact disciplinary measures throughout the entire school, that is what deans Bethea and Harvey are for. Even the two of them cannot be everywhere at once which is exactly why the teachers are responsible for reporting infractions they observe in the classroom. Now as for cutting up with a student whose pants were at their knees, that is obviously a lie.
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Well,,,,,I guess we all know which group you are in....Enough said...
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The only group I am in is the Class of 2009. I think it is pretty lame that you all are so ready to jump down the school's throat when you are not there on a daily basis interacting with students, teachers, and administrators. THEY cannot do THEIR jobs when their hands have been bound by moronic district-wide and nation-wide policies.
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Which policies do you mean?
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I mean policies, such as the dress code, that use subjective terms such as "excessive tightness" or "oversize clothing." Those terms can be interpreted differently by everyone who reads them.
"We ask that our students wear adequate and modest clothing, including undergarments of such style and design that are consistent with our community standards."
That statement pretty much sums up the ineffectiveness of the current dress code.
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DRESS POLICY: I HOPED WITH A NEW SUPERENTENDANT SOME NEEDED CHANGES WOULD ME MADE. I RESPECT MR. DYAL AND I THINK HE WAS LEFT WITH ONE BIG MESS. BUT TIME TO MOVE ON AND LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE. I WAIT EACH DAY TO PICK UP MY CHILD AND I SEE MORE UNDERWEAR SHOWING THAN IN A DEPARTMENT STORE. THIS IS OUTRAGES FOR ANYONE TO SHOW THERE BUTTUCKS OR WHATS COVERING IT IN PUBLIC. THE PRINCIPAL IS OUTSIDE AND SEE'S THIS DISCUSTING TREND BUT AS USUAL DOES NOTHING. I HAD HOPED THAT HE WOULD BE REPLACED AND SENT BACK TO THE CLASS ROOM BUT I GUESS MR. DYAL WAS STUCK WITH HIM. OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT SAFE IN THIS SCHOOL AND THIS JUST DIDN'T START. I PRAY THAT CHANGES ARE MADE IN THESE AREA'S FOR THE SAFE ENVIROMENT OUR CHILDREN DESERVE. ALSO PERRY PRIMARY HAS STUDENTS HITTING TEACHER STAFF AND OTHER STAFF. VIOLENT KIDS THAT ARE IN THE CLASS ROOM WITH YOUR KIDS. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FEW ISOLATED INCIDENTS. DAILY THIS IS HAPPENING AND GENERALY SPEAKING THE PEOPLE RESPONCIBE FOR HANDELING THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE THE PARENTS OFTEN NOT ON SCOOL GROUNDS AND CANNOT BE LOCATED. UNDERSTANDABLY WE NEED TO LET PAUL DYAL HAVE A CHANCE TO CORRECT THIS. IF NOT THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IN TALLAHASSE FLORIDA IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH TAYLOR COUNTY. THEY LOVE TO HERE FROM CONCERNED PARENTS. IF SOME ONE COULD POST THIS NUMBER IT WOULD BE GREAT. I ASK THAT PAUL HOLD THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF ACCOUNTABLE FOR THERE LACK OF ACTION AND PLACE OTHER TCSD EMPLOYEE'S IN THESE POSITIONS SO OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT MOLESTED IN THE REST ROOMS OR ON THE PLAY GROUND. I ALSO WOULD CALL THE SHERIFF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE DRUG DOGS THAT ARE READY TO SERVE. INVITE THEM TO THE SCHOOLS NOT FOR JUST SHOW AND TELL BUT TAKE A FEW TO JAIL FOR ILLEAGAL DRUGS THAT IS BEING DESTRIBITED AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. NOW IS THE TIME TO ENFORCE THESE LAWS AND MAYBE WE SAVE A FEW FROM MAKEING IT A CAREER. AS PARENTS WE MAY NEED TO FORM OUR OWN WATCH DOG COMMITIE AND TAKE OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM BACK. PAUL NEEDS HELP FROM ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE KIDS. PLEASE SOMEONE FIND OUT THE LEGAL RIGHTS AS PARENTS AND LETS GET INVOLVED. IT HAS HAPPEND BEFOR AND THE PARENTS PATROLED THE HALLS OF THE HIGH SCHOOL DAILY. BRING YOU CELL PHONE AND CALL 911 FROR SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY THEN IT CANT BE OVERLOOKED. SORRY SPELL CHECK DID NOT WORK.
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Dress codes for schools is a good idea. Saves money and aggravation on the parents part. I don't see why it should be such a big deal.
Look at your local banks, some tellers are all wearing the same outfit (dress code), Wal-Mart has one, tan pants and blue shirt, go to restaurants, aren't all the waiters/waitress' dressed the same, and many other business have their employees dress the same with logo shirts and one or two colored pants.
Start in PreK and continue to 12th grade.
Easy to take care of, and easy to pass along to growing siblings. Boys and girls can wear the same style. How novel!
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There are clearly many benefits to uniforms--no doubt about it.
Here's the problem... Many students won't support it (I can't say I would've, either, as a teen). And as most any teacher will tell you, an increasing number of parents support their kid over the schools. That means lots of mommies calling up the principals and superintendent complaining that their little angels can't express themselves because of repressive uniforms.
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Sounds to me like NOBODY there can do thier jobs right. Maybe we need some new personell there....ALONG WITH A NEW superintendant.I am definately going to voice my concern about this to the two candidates for school superintendant.
Those of you who are not adults yet need to back off. You are still mere children and do not understand the seriousness of this situation.
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Well, TCHS was rated a "B" school by the Florida Department of Education--so they must be doing *something* right.
And while I agree that most kids are limited in their wisdom and perspective due to their age, I wouldn't seek to silence them. They're stakeholders in this, and as such ought to be heard.
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Mere children, huh? Do you mean the seriousness of the dress code or of the administration? Are you aware that some of us students who are not adults yet actually want a strict dress code and we want everyone to follow the rules? I think we understand way more than we are given credit for. We are there every day and see more than most people realize is going on.
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No you are not speaking for the majority of us.......We are tired of Harvey and Thompson...Maybe its because we are not in their looked over group..Maybe its because we are local students with parents that dont kiss butt or look for reasons to blame someone for our problems..We will go on to college bacause of ourselfs and not someone elses hand holding ours.....We only wish we can watch as they are packing their bags and leaving out our doors........
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Oh please. I am a local student, born and raised in Taylor County. I have been here for 18 years and spent grades K-12 in the Taylor County School District. My parents have never kissed butt with any of the administrators and have actually been at odds with them on quote a few occasions. I am in college right now and if it were not for TCHS's dual enrollment program, I would not be able to further my education at NFCC.
So please, spare me all the hating. You have obviously not made a sincere effort to communicate with Thompson because his office is always open to students who are willing to give their input or share their concerns.
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You live with that thought, while the rest of us deal with reality...Dream of Class of 2009 ___--- To see thompson, harvey and the like G O N E !!!!
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As a student at TCHS, I believe that uniforms need to be implemented. Based on studies I have seen from school systems that have implemented uniforms, I believe our schools would see disciplinary improvements and as a result, academic improvements.
'Tis true that students can be rather rejective of another based on outward appearance and I do believe that uniforms would help with this situation to a certain extent.
The only reserve I have is that uniforms stifle the self expression of students as individuals and I am not too keen on that. But then again, students can express themselves through sports, art, music, or various other electives at school.
I have a feeling that many of my classmates will not be too happy to see what I am advocating.
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Oh, and to clarify: by uniform I mean at the MOST khaki pants and a solid colored t, preferably something other than white. Just make sure that the students are all wearing the same type of clothing!
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I have been out of the school system since 2007. I had to go through the "ridiculous" dress code back when I was in high school, which was started by the Dixie Outfitters d1lemma. Now looking into hindsight I realized that it wasn't so bad, compared to what you guys are talking about.
Honestly I don't see the problem in letting kids wear what they want. I understand banning explicit images, but name brand clothes and logos? Please come on. I am in college, where I can wear whatever I like and it doesn't distract others. How do I know this? Because I am not distracted by others clothes. Yes, some are a little more flashy than others, but so what? I want you fellow Taylor County citizens to answer me that. "So what". I never came home crying for being picked on for not wearing the latest fashion. If your kids are coming home crying about that, you might want to teach them that material things aren't important in life.
About the gang incidents...again, how does what you wear determine the people you affiliate with? Gangs are formed outside of school, so how does making the students wear only white t-shirts and blue jeans going to stop anything? Hell most of the urban community wear white t's anyways.
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Camden - Do you really think it would be wise to have *no* dress code at all? Not a single rule?
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I guess I was mistaken and did not clarify about the actual issue of dress codes. I have no problem with dress codes; I have to abide by it every day at work. I am forced to wear a uniform every day, I like it because it’s not my clothes so if they get messy, I don't care.
That’s really not the point. Implementing a dress code is not a bad idea, but doing it for the reasons listed is a bad idea. To reduce violence? I think not, FAMU High in Tally is private and they have uniforms and I know for a fact they kids still get into fights there. Same goes for John Paul II in Tally, it’s a small Catholic school, but yet they still have arguments and tussles between students. Telling a kid what to wear is not going to correct the problems you guys are after.
If you want to get rid of the violence, give harsher penalties to kids when they get into trouble. Example would be in some bigger cities when students get into fights, they are picked up by the police. Wouldn't that embarrassment plus being suspended from school work a little better?
I am not expecting anything miraculous until after the new superintendant is in office, because Howard has never tried to fix this issue at hand, he always is to blame the schools lack of discipline on some other outside source. Talk about a change for ’08, this is the real change Taylor County needs.
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Thanks for clarifying. I don't think that reducing gang violence is the primary motivator for the consideration of uniforms here in Taylor County (although it's a big factor in other areas).
For us, the advantage to uniforms is that it eliminates all subjectivity when it comes to a dress code. Right now, we have a situation where even the people who work at TCHS aren't 100% sure what's allowed and what isn't. What seems okay to one teacher might seem to violate the rules to another. So we have situations where a kid might wear an outfit all day without someone saying a word, then get written up at the end of the day by their last teacher.
Uniforms would remove the need for individual judgement on the part of parents, students, and district employees. No more worrying about whether an outfit is too revealing or a logo on a shirt is potentially offensive or disruptive. Less time will be spent focusing on clothes, and more time can be spent on the business of education.
The fact that uniforms would also eliminate gang clothing and, to a degree, economic class envy is just a fringe benefit.
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I am glad , Camden that you were one of the "fortunate" ones.
Its not that easy for some people.
You should try back later when you are an adult/parent in a situation like this instead of giving me advice on how to raise my kids.
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I disagree 100% with the proposal of a dress code. Yes some kids do wear expensive name brands and some don't, but whats the big deal? Not having a dress code helps make each student an individual and unlike everyone else. I mean whats the problem with wearing name brand clothing, some families can afford it while others can't, thats not our problem. This can be used as a good motivational tool to help kids strive to make good grades in school and go on to college so that one day our kids can afford to buy their kids name brand clothes. Its not those who can afford it problem. Besides is school a social event? No its school, what you wear does not matter but yet what you learn. And I know through personal experience you can learn just as good in route 66 as you can in abercrombie. And what you think these uniforms will be free.....umm no! So either way you will have to buy your kids clothes, why not let them wear what they want.
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Avoiding fashion wars is a reason for uniforms, but it's certainly not the only reason--and it's not the most important one.
If I were a student, I'd probably hate the idea of uniforms. But there's overwhelming evidence of the benefits of wearing them, and kids who go to schools where they're required generally end up liking them after they get used to them.
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I agree.
And I would like to disagree with the person who said that some people can afford name brand clothes and some cannot.What we are dealing with here is NOT college students but adolescents still in grade school.There is a big difference!!
By the time most kids reach college they are mature and able enough to know that they WANT to go to college which is almost an adult decision.You are ADULTS when you reach college and we are not dealing with ADULTS!! We are dealing with children....and by experience , I know what harm they can do!!
Why would kids hate uniforms???
The answer is so obvious.
I want my kids to excell in everything they do. I want them to have good grades and friends and I want them to fit in.Afterward , I want them to make the mature decision to go to college. It's not their fault that I cannot afford Abercrombie & Fitch but the other kids tell them opposite.
I think that without the added worry of 'who's wearing what" and "my friend won't hang out with me because my jeans came from Walmart" scenario,we would see more self confidence and better grades.
And as far as the "cost" of uniforms.....just go check the price of Abercrombie & Fitch jeans.
Obviosly the person who brought THAT up is not a parent of 3 kids and has never had to deal with these kind of problems.
I would gladly spend money on a uniform before taking all of my money and buying one pair of jeans.
Uniforms are PRACTICAL. Name brand clothing is just plain STUPID.
Parents....how would YOU like to give your money away?
Stupidly....or PRACTICALLY?
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Let me just say this: Most "name" brand clothing is produced in Asian sweat shops by children and adults working for pennies.
The working conditions are horrible with no benefits. Most of the same "name" brand garments are made at the same dreary factories, different labels are put on the same generic clothing article. Students or parents that get self-esteem or attempt to make a social statement with over-priced cheaply made clothing are actually causing harm to human beings in an attempt to be cool, now and hip. It makes sensible people want to puke that folks like that can be so shallow, superficial and trivial.
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I agree with and appreciate the last comment.
The hard and almost impossible thing is to try and get children (Teenagers mostly)to understand this.
Thats why they are called children.
Once again....we ARE dealing with children.
Not college students.
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I cant believe you would even stoop so low as to say that the "lesser advantaged" children should take NOT wearing name brand clothes as a GOAL??? What so their children do not have to grow up feeling like they did. PLEASE never have children of your own!
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Thank you so much for the above comment.
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"Standard of Dress"
The "Standard of Dress" is for all students, Grades 6-12:
All shirts/blouses must have sleeves. The shirts/blouses must be tucked in the pants/skirts and of the student's appropriate size. Only Taylor County School District approved school logos are allowed on the shirts/blouses - designer logos that are 3" X 3" or smaller. Pants and dresses/or skirts, (to the knee), must be of appropriate size.
Unacceptable Dress at School:
Pants, skirts, dresses that reveal body imprints due to excessive tightness including Spandex-type clothing.
No shorts (unless to the knee).
Dresses / skirts that have splits that would cause them to be too short. No "mini" dresses/skirts.
Clothing with words, phrases, symbols, pictures, patches, flags, Confederate flags, or insignias are prohibited (exception: T.C.S.D. approved School Logos, JROTC Uniforms, Scout Uniforms, American Flags and designer logos that are 3" X 3" or smaller).
Pants / jeans worn below the beltline.
Spaghetti strap shirts, tube tops, strapless, half-shirts, or halter tops of any type.
Unnatural hair color (such as pink, blue, etc.)
No bedroom slippers, no athletic cleats.
No oversize clothing.
This is the published dress code for the Middle School and the High School pulled from the Taylor County School District web site & Published in the school hand book. I do not see a problem with this code. It just needs to be universally and unconditionally enforced at BOTH schools. If Junior wants to wear his pants around his hips with his underwear showing, he should be sent home to change regardless of who he is or who his parents are. If Suzie has her belly showing, the same applies.
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I'M GOING TO SAY I AM SOMEONE WHO IS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL EVERYDAY AND I DO KNOW FOR FACTS THAT THOMPSON AND HARVEY DO PLAY FAVORTISM WITH STUDENTS AND YES IT IS UP TO THE TEACHERS TO HELP CONTROL DRESS CODE...PUT YOU HAVE SOME TEACHERS THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE DO NOT REPORT YOU AND OTHERS TEACHERS DO AND SOME JUST DONT CARE...ONE THING ON UNIFORMS IS MY CHILD ONCE ATTENDED A SCHOOL THAT HAD UNIFORMS AND I FOUND THAT KIDS STILL MADE FUN OF OTHERS AND THERE WAS STILL VIOLENCE IN THE SCHOOL HAVING SUCH UNIFORMS DID NOT MATTER AT ALL...THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE FOR TAYLOR COUNTY SCHOOLS UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE PUT IN PLACE THAT IS NOT AFFRAID TO START MAKING CHANGES. AND THOSE PARENTS THAT KNOW THE DRESS CODE AND STILL ALLOW THERE CHILD TO LEAVE THE HOUSE DRESSED AGAINST IT...ARE ABBUSING THE SYSTEM AND PEOPLE IN THE SYSTEM BECAUSE OF WHO THEY THINK THEY ARE....ACTUALLY NOBODIES..SO LETS JUST VOTE FOR A SUPERINDENT THAT WILL START MAKING CHANGES FROM UP TO DOWN THE LINE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM..
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Yes I and many others Agree....Thompson and Harvey are total idiots...But its all because of the one in charge "Oscar"...They have and will always pick on who and what they will enforce...When they are gone, the school system will get back on track...Oh by the way, We were only a "B" school because of the students themselfs taking control of their grades and of course "ON-LIne Classes"...Good bye Oscar, Harvey and worthless Thompson !!! We as students will smile once again and not be picked on because of your own politics and ideas...........
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WE NEED YOU TO TO RUN FOR A SCHOOL DISTRICT SEAT. YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY. BUT DONT STOP THERE. PULL PUBLIC RECORDS AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH SOME IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF MAKE AND THEN LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS WE ARE FACING. MOVE THERE BUT INTO THE SCHOOLS AND LET THE SUPERINTINDANT TAKE CARE OF THE OFFICE. HELP POLICE THE HALL WAYS, THE GYM AND OTHER PLACES WHERE TROUBLE IS HAPPENING. IF THEY ARE ARE TOO GOOD TO OFF THERE BUT THEN FIRE THEM AND PUT IN SECURITY CAMERAS WITH THERE SALERY'S WE CAN AFFORD A BUNCH OF CAMERAS AND WHEN CLIDE CRUCE IS NOT SO BUSY MAYBE HE BE MONITORING THEM.
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Looking at the standards, you can see why there's room for subjectivity. Words and phrases like "appropriate size", "excessive tightness", "too short", "oversize", and "unnatural" are used. Clearly, different people will have different interpretations of these descriptions. What's "too short" to one teacher won't be "too short" to another. I see a lot of girls around town wearing clothes that I think are too short, but obviously they and their parents disagree.
The only solution I can think of is uniforms.
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Thank you!!!!
I really think it is worth a try.
We are not hurting anyone by just trying are we?
With uniforms there would be no question at ALL as to whats appropriate and what's not.
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I too am all for uniforms. I think it's sad that now our teachers are having to police clothing, on top of all the other requirements they have, including educating our children! Uniforms would take out the subjectivity; it's obvious as soon as Billyjoejimbob steps on campus whether he's in violation of it or not. I think solid shirts - white, blue, orange or even gray with either kakis or blue jeans is perfectly acceptable. You'll find that lots of stores offer these items, including American Eagle, Gap, Old Navy, etc. to appease those caught up in name brands. This would be one less headache for our schools. Parents that would buck a uniform are going to be the same ones that let their child go to school now in violation of the dress code. What's the harm in giving it try?
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Wow. You need a reality check. Uniforms? Dp you understand that the wily teenage mind of today will come up eith some new way to pick on your children even with a uniform? They will wear certain shoes or their socks just so and that can be just as bad. Truly the dress code is a little over much and perhaps it could be removed and thus the problems we have now could be replaced with new ones. It really doesn't matter how your children, their children, or I dress, the teenage population of the world will find some way to pick on the other teens that are in their retinue. Besides, I have been in this area for many years and through these long years I have observed the antics of the teens around me. Under my watchful eye I have noticed that hardly anyone gets picked on about brands of clothing, actually the majority of those that DO get picked on are those that are attempting to draw attention to themselves by wearing things like chains, rainbow stockings, trenchcoats, etc. I.e. the people wearing those things are in fact asking their peers to pick on them.
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AMEN TO THAT....NEXT IT WILL BE HAIR STYLE OR COLOR WHAT THEN? ARE THEY GOING TO ASK EVERY KID IN SCHOOL TO SHAVE THEIR HEAD...UM I DON'T THINK SO I GOING TO SAY THIS 1 MORE TIME TO THOSE THAT WANT UNIFORMS IN SCHOOL MY CHILD WORE A UNIFORM FOR 6 YEARS TO A SCHOOL WITH KAKI PAINTS THE SHIRTS WERE OF 4 COLORS BLUE GRAY TAN AND WHITE. YOU KNOW KIDS STILL GOT MADE FUN OF BECAUSE THE SHIRTS HAD TO BE TUCKED IN AND SOME KIDS WERE TO BIG TO TUCK IN SO GUESS WHAT THOSE WERE THE KIDS THAT GOT MADE FUN OF...WOULD SOMEONE REALLY WANT TO DO THAT TO THEIR CHILD WHEN REGULAR CLOTHES COULD HIDE MOST BIG KIDS BODY SHAPE LETS GET REAL PEOPLE.
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TO: anonymous,
I am an 8th grade teacher at the middle school. Concerning the uniform policy:
It is not so much the clothes. It is the shortness of the clothes - tight blouses, clevage, size 12 asses stuffed into size 8 jeans. I cannot imagine what these parents are thinking - does letting their young lady students look like sleazy street walkers make any sense? The male students with pants half-way down their legs. What is going on? Has society gone crazy? It gets worse each year, no respect for the teachers, no discipline, sleeping in class. What is going on at home? Many parents care nothing for their children. It is obvious. I wish it were required for all parents or guardians to spend just one day in an 8th grade class. Parents are responsible yet teacher duties are added to each year, as counselor, teacher, mentor, tutor, to apply punishments, be a psychologist, baby sitter and on and on and on.
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If every kid had as much sense as you, no dress code would be necessary.
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I love the last comment!!
Please put emphasis on the word "KID"
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IT'S NOT EVERY 8TH GRADE YOUNG LADY THAT LOOKS THAT WAY...BECAUSE I HAVE A CHILD THAT IS IN 8TH GRADE AND SHE WOULD BE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE IF SHE LEFT THE HOUSE LOOKING LIKE A STREET WALKER...GRANTED YES THERE ARE SOME MOTHERS AND FATHERS THAT ARE NOT THERE FOR THE CHILDREN...THAT IS JUST HOW TODAY SOCIETY IS BUT I AM A MOTHER AND IM THERE 100% FOR MY CHILD.
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Some of these girls leave the house dressed, by their parents, like street walkers. Others leave the house looking fine, but make a miraculous change before they get to school!
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i really beg the differ because i am the one that drives my child to school everymorning and the only thing she gets out of the car with is her binder.so your telling me she has extra clothes in it...um i don't think so....i am a mother that stays involved with my daughter and she doesn't have to dress like a street walker to get attention from anyone because her parents give her enough.....so stop saying it is every young lady in 8th grade.
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I don't know you or your daughter. My point is just that SOME kids do this--not necessarily YOUR kids.
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The dress code policy is something I feel strongly about. I think our society lacks discipline, morals, and structure in general, and one of the few ways to get that back is to be stricter in schools. I think our current dress code is a great idea, in theory. Actually, I've felt this way since about halfway through the first year it was implemented. However, what our schools lack is proper discipline, especially in the dress code department. If our school board or superintendent implement a dress code, no matter how silly or inconvenient it is, I believe the students at ALL schools should be subject to follow it. What's the point of having a dress code if it is only enforced on random days and on random kids? I have broken the dress code (by wearing large logos) several times this school year, as all students know you only need to follow the rules for the first few weeks of school. I've never gotten in trouble, actually I don't think anyone has since September.
I think having a strict dress code such as ours can be very beneficial, so let's enforce it at all schools all the time .
As for uniforms (I can imagine khaki pants and solid shirts being our closest thing to a uniform), I think they are the perfect solution. People have posted over and over how kids are made fun of and it will continue with uniforms. To be honest, I have not really seen, heard, or otherwise experienced serious teasing due to what kids are wearing (and I'm talking about all the way back from kindergarten until now). Even if I am mistaken or things have changed with younger kids over the years, I do not see how NOT having a strict dress code can eliminate the teasing, violence, etc.
(Note: I understand I am taking a risk by saying I am a student, but please do not discredit what I have to say. Sometimes kids actually do know what's going on or have a good point to make...)
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How bout investigating our Coach Harris and Harvey...Fixing grades and having students drop classes to make GPA to play football..........We all as students know this for a fact and the players involved are talking...I guess the only way to get to the truth is contacting Tallhassee Democrat to investigate for us..Enough is enough of this B.S.
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From what I can remember, you can not just drop classes in highschool.
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How about we NOT involve the TD or WCTV in any of our business? I am usually not an advocate of isolationism, but those two organizations LOVE to spotlight the negative side of our community without providing an equal amount of positivity. Instead, why don't the parents (tax-payers) step up to the plate and demand answers to those questions?
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As a parent of a child in the Taylor County school system, I agree that if you can't get any answers locally then you should do whatever is necessary to get answers even it means going to Tallahassee to get them. After all, the FDOE is based in Tallahassee. You said you are a student so I suggest you talk to your parents first and maybe together you can decide how to handle it. Good Luck.
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If you worried more about the childs education then what they had on we would be an a+ school. Leave them alone as long as they have desent cloths on with no offensive words or pictures whats the problem.
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That's what the current code is trying to ensure--that they're wearing decent, inoffensive clothes. I would also add "non-distracting" to the list.
But because students and parents seem to have a tough time following the code, and because interpretation of the code can be subjective, uniforms may be the way to go.
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What I think is stupid is that my daughter can wear a shirt that has a repeating pattern of butterflies all over it but she CANNOT wear a shirt with one large butterfly of the front.
(I am only using butterflies as an example)
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That is stupid. You are using butterflies as an example, just for my curiousity, can you give me an actual example of when this has happened? I am only asking just to get the decision makers frame of mind.
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According to the policy posted online:
"Clothing with words, phrases, symbols, pictures, patches, flags, Confederate flags, or insignias are prohibited (exception: T.C.S.D. approved School Logos, JROTC Uniforms, Scout Uniforms, American Flags and designer logos that are 3" X 3" or smaller)."
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Took the words right out of my mouth (so to speak)
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OK I got it. Sometimes I am a little slow on the uptake
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What is stated in the above statement is 100% true. How about the fact that my daughter can wear a shirt with stars all over it but got wrote up for the HCO symbol on her shirt being 4.5". On another note, she is allowed to wear a HOODIE that has HCO across the entire front (from side to side minis the zipper area) because it is a "hoodie/jacket" She can also wear her thick sweater with AERO across the front because it is a "jacket" figure that out. What is the dress code? Jackets vs shirts? THey come from the same place - it is still Aeropostle and it is still Hollister!
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It all comes down to who you are and who you know...With Oscar, Thompson, & Harvey gone,,,we are sure that things will be corrected...Good Bye you [*], Good Bye..
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BM
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Why do you think that Thompson and Harvey are gone? What about Harris? I have read a few posts indicating Thompson and Harvey are gone. Just wondering...
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I doubt that Thompson is going anywhere; TCHS went from a "D" to a "B" under his leadership. What Super would kick out the principal of a "B" school?
Haven't heard anything about Harvey going anywhere. He's grossly overpaid, so it would be nice if he could be replaced by someone less expensive, but there's no evidence that he would get the axe under the new administration.
Harris may be on thin ice, but who knows. It will be interesting to see how Dyal, as a former coach himself, handles this one. He may have a different outlook than Oscar had.
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I heard today that Harris resigned, has anyone else heard thi?
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Has anyone attended the alternative school graduation? The numbers are astounding. I am told the reason “TCHS is a B school is because of the transfer rate to Vo-tech schools for completion.” Should this not occur would TCHS be an F school? Now there's an answer I would like to hear. Failure can also be determined by lack of successful outcomes. From the post on this site, I am led to perceive there is limited success of educating students in the present system Again I am told “The reason middle school receives an A is that this is where the process of elimination begins for under performing students. Y'all are "clueless”." Funding depends on results, and my Dad said “figures don’t lie, but liars figure” it’s an old time saying about the manipulation of numbers. In a situation like this I have to think are numbers manipulated to improve the grade a school receives.
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Hi,
well i think we do need to watch the clothes students are wearing! but a dress code would be good. but teachers will need to follow these rules too!!
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Hi,
This dress code issue is heating up again in Knox County. It really is an issue that parents, grandparents and students have definitive opinions on.I believe the students at ALL schools should be subject to follow it.
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Dress codes work only if they are enforced by the administrators at each school site. This goes for students and teachers alike!
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Hi,
School uniforms are common in primary and secondary schools in many nations. They are the most widely known form of student uniform; other types include uniforms worn by students participating in higher vocational training, such as in health occupations.Traditionally, school uniforms have been subdued and professional. Boys' uniforms often consist of dark trousers and light-colored shirt, often with a tie. Girls' uniforms vary greatly between countries and schooling systems, but typically consist of a dress or a blouse worn either with a skirt or culottes or under a pinafore. Gender-specific uniforms have been a point of contention, with some schools permitting female students to choose either skirts or trousers while still requiring male students to wear trousers.
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Good point, Dyal and his ship of fools have yet to act and do anything proactive. If a Dyal crony could benefit financially, yoiu betcha there would be uniforms next week! How about getting those two soccer mom entrepreneurs who sell all of the t-shirts on this. They would make it happen! LOL!!!
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Dyal seemed to support the notion of uniforms when he was at TCMS; I would imagine he would do the same as superintendent. But the community and board have to back him on it for it to happen, and I'm guessing that these days he has been grappling with much larger issues and hasn't had time to drum up support for uniforms.
You can't be very proactive until you're done putting out fires lit by past mismanagement. Returning the district to financial solvency appears to be Dyal's number one priority, and that's as it should be.
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Please, they just hired an asst. coach and his wife, all kept quiet with the help of the local paper. How does that put us back in the black? Seems to me Football is his number 1 priority.
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They did hire the asst. coach's wife, but she had to apply and I guess her qualifications were better than what there was there. You have to agree that one thing the cut backs have done is be able for thew district to cut out some of the dead wood and get better teachers in their place, now only if they could get rid of some of the deadbeats that have tenure that are no good they would be on the right track....
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Yes I certainly agree, cut backs had to be done, we had more employee's than were needed, now if the deadwood was cut, or the fresh new growth, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I don't know the new asst. coach's wife's qualifications, I wouldn't even know she had been hired if it weren't for this blog, but I really doubt her qualifications were considered, her position was part of the negotiations, so you see her husband got her the position, not her qualifications, no matter what they be, and no matter how she does her job, she will keep it, as long as her husband is the asst. coach, deadwood or new growth.
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I absolutely agree that the assistant coach thing looks bad. I don't know why the paper didn't cover it; maybe it was because the district pressured them not to, because they knew it would generate controversy. But none of us really knows, so we can only speculate.
I don't know if football is the top priority--I think financial recovery is. But football clearly runs a close second, and an awful lot of time and energy has been invested in it. We'll see if it pays off.
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The former super ran the district like his own organized crime syndicate. The current super appears to be following the same fraud on the tax-payers and children of Taylor County.
There are a lot of things that can be done to improve our school district. A lot of folks are talking to DOE in Tallahassee, FDLE in Tallahassee and others to get some investigation started on the waste and fraud perpetrated by the former and current super.
Every dog has it's day and all of those lazy folks at the administrative office, both current and past administrators will have their day, hopefully in court.
Only in education can such crime on children exisit!
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Do you have a specific example or two?
The state is already watching every move the district makes; there isn't much opportunity for fraud or waste. And while the prior administration certainly had its (many) flaws, I'm aware of no evidence of fraud coming to light.
It's really hard to hide fraud for long in school district. Even when they've not been declared to be in financial emergency by the state, state auditors keep a watchful eye on them on a perpetual basis. It's not like a personal tax audit where people are selected at random to get one; school districts are audited continually.
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Dress code for students....what about a dress code for the gal-pals in the administrative office and others. How can we expect our students to take pride in their school system and their appearance when we have such folks in the administration who do not dress professionally, act professionally or administer school district business in a professional manner. It all starts by the examples adults provide and the school system is in short supply of leaders and good examples!
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I definitely agree with you this is not just with you. we must do something for it.
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i agree
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I 10% agree with you
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