Racism In Taylor County-Racism In America vs. Equality
I thought it appropriate to start a topic specifically for this discussion, especially since it seems I have opened that up somewhat in another topic. Also, there was a comment posted that I thought would better fit here and would most likely start an interesting discussion.
I agree with TCC in that racism dies hard, that there are still people alive who grew up knowing nothing but hatred for anyone that was not white and most definitely that ignorance takes generations to root out. I grew up under a very racist father and I honestly believe it is all he knew. I was told it was OK to have black friends at school, but they could not come to the house, even in the yard. I was told you don't "hang-out" with them or eat at the same table, even in a restaurant. If it were not for my friends and I fighting that internally, amongst ourselves and having a conscience in the fact that we are all human and have feelings and rights, I know I would be a very racist and different person than I am today. Hearing my Dad in my ear, I was guilty of a very racist thing one time on a class trip and the embarrassment I felt from my peers and seeing first hand how being discriminated against really hurts a person actually permanently changed me for the better. I just hate it came at someone else's expense.
Moving on from my personal rambling that most of you probably don't care to hear, I also feel that racism comes from all races and that also comes from them growing up in a time when they were discriminated against harshly and I can only imagine the difficulty of forgetting that and not feeling like you have to instill a sense of watch your back and don't let that happen to you. I think it will still take a long time before both sides can move on from it, but I do think until both sides can be called out and embarrassed or punished for the crime, we will get no further than we are now, and it will take the people in each community to stand up as one and fix it; the government can't do it. What I don't understand is why white people feel the need to be racist? Is it because white people are still angry that black people aren't still calling us master? I hear that black people need to get over the slavery thing because it happened X number of years ago, but that was the beginning of racism against black people, so again why are white people still racist, don't they need to let go of it too? I guess I just don't understand the judgment or hatred based solely on the color of someone's skin, no matter what race.
On this topic, I put the word equality in the title because I feel in many instances "black Americans" are fighting for equality in their unity, much like women did and still do today. So what's the difference in the BET channel and the WE channel? Granted I know that there is plenty of actual racism from both sides, but what do you think?
I agree with TCC in that racism dies hard, that there are still people alive who grew up knowing nothing but hatred for anyone that was not white and most definitely that ignorance takes generations to root out. I grew up under a very racist father and I honestly believe it is all he knew. I was told it was OK to have black friends at school, but they could not come to the house, even in the yard. I was told you don't "hang-out" with them or eat at the same table, even in a restaurant. If it were not for my friends and I fighting that internally, amongst ourselves and having a conscience in the fact that we are all human and have feelings and rights, I know I would be a very racist and different person than I am today. Hearing my Dad in my ear, I was guilty of a very racist thing one time on a class trip and the embarrassment I felt from my peers and seeing first hand how being discriminated against really hurts a person actually permanently changed me for the better. I just hate it came at someone else's expense.
Moving on from my personal rambling that most of you probably don't care to hear, I also feel that racism comes from all races and that also comes from them growing up in a time when they were discriminated against harshly and I can only imagine the difficulty of forgetting that and not feeling like you have to instill a sense of watch your back and don't let that happen to you. I think it will still take a long time before both sides can move on from it, but I do think until both sides can be called out and embarrassed or punished for the crime, we will get no further than we are now, and it will take the people in each community to stand up as one and fix it; the government can't do it. What I don't understand is why white people feel the need to be racist? Is it because white people are still angry that black people aren't still calling us master? I hear that black people need to get over the slavery thing because it happened X number of years ago, but that was the beginning of racism against black people, so again why are white people still racist, don't they need to let go of it too? I guess I just don't understand the judgment or hatred based solely on the color of someone's skin, no matter what race.
On this topic, I put the word equality in the title because I feel in many instances "black Americans" are fighting for equality in their unity, much like women did and still do today. So what's the difference in the BET channel and the WE channel? Granted I know that there is plenty of actual racism from both sides, but what do you think?
BM,I have had this since the 14th of this month.Now I want to post it because at the end of this story it says this......
THERE IS NOTHING IMPROPER ABOUT THIS E-MAIL. Let’s see which of you are proud enough to send it on. Sadly, I think that not many will. That’s why we have lost most of OUR RIGHTS in this country. We won’t stand up for ourselves! It’s not a crime yet, but it’s getting real close!
I think that if more whites would stand up for themselves that racism would stop in America. What do you say? You can post this or not,I will leave it up to you. But in my opinion this is true.
A MAN SPEAKS OUT AGAINST INJUSTICE
Published by Lee S. Gliddon, Jr. on Nov 14th, 2007 in Commentary, Racialism with No Comments
Submitted by: Diane Ward
PROUD TO BE WHITE
http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/11/14/3124/
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I am curious if you agree with what the author is saying, and when the author says 'OUR RIGHTS', am I right in that he means white people? If so, what rights are the white people losing?
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I agree with the Blog Moderator, you've got to take a serious look at yourself Miss B. Haven.
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What do you agree with the Blog Moderator about?
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I wasn't sure either because I was not calling her out or accussing her of anything. I thought I was just asking a question.
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BM, Yes I agree 100% with what the author has to say.I have to be honest here and I have to give credit where credit is due. In my opinion it is long over due,some one should have stood up and said that a long time ago. I know that you will not agree with me, and please do not think that it has any thing to do with being a racist because it does not. But it does have a lot to do with age, and I think I have you there. To me people (the whites) are going to have to join together to get this racial/slavery thing put to rest or it will never ever go away. It will also take our politicians and Washington to do this, because again in my opinion this is where the problem lies,instead of within the white race.
You concentrated only on "our rights!
Quote~You believed that in the Million Man March that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race or rights’ we'd be racists. You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you are not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.~End quote
We only should have the same rights as the blacks, nothing more nothing LESS, and yes I think he is talking about white people there. We should be equal to the black race but we are not. If you think that we are then go back and read that story again,and then tell me that all is equal.
I am proud to be white, because I was born that way.But that does not make me a racist.It was because I was born to white parents only that. Aren't you proud of being the race that you were born into?
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You being a racist has never crossed my mind. I try to not just through that word around, because to call someone a racist is very personal and I use that word because I am drawing a blank on how to say what I am wanting to say. I don't really consider that letter or story racist; I consider it more of a statement of how someone feels unequal or not being treated the same, and I really can see the point of it. It can seem one-sided.
One thing is for sure, it will take all of America to put it all to rest. I also agree that usually when the government gets involved trying to fix something or force something, they get it wrong. There will always be cultural differences, but it should never be about skin color which is been my point and stance all along. I just don't get the hatred or disgust or anything else based on skin color. I am also not too naive to think that acts of racism only comes from one side; I know it comes from black and white. I also don't believe all is equal by far. If it were, we would not even be still having this issue in America today.
You ask me if I am proud to of being the race I was born into. No, you should be proud or have pride in many things, but not the color of your skin, things like accomplishments, character, serving your country, being a good parent, etc. but not your skin color. I know you don't agree with me, but that is just how I feel about the association with proud and pride with race. In how I define proud and pride, to say that I am proud to be white is the same as saying thank God I am not black, and vice-versa. Just like TCC said, I choose to be an American and I am proud to be an American, but I did not choose be to white or had to work hard to be white, so I can't be proud to be white.
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BM,Ok then we will have to agree to disagree, because I will always be proud to be white,because this is who I am. It would not have been no different if I had been born black I would have been proud either way.I did not choose to be born the way I was,nor did I choose to be an American, but I am both and I will always be proud of who I am, and always be proud to be an American. I will say that this is the first time in my life time,that I have ever heard of someone that says that they are not proud to be white, I have also never heard that said from a black either.I have known plenty blacks in my lifetime,and they were proud to be who they were also. So I,m sorry that you fill the way you do about your race and I really hope that that will change for you in time.
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Fair enough, but I feel I must say I am very proud of who I am and it has absolutely nothing to do with being white. I just don't see the need for anyone to have to say they are proud to be a certain race; I just don't see the point, unless you have been so belittled or so ashamed to be that race that you have to feel the need to have to state that you are proud to be that race. I think you should be proud of your race for its accomplishments and for things it has overcome, but not proud to be that race and not another. To me it is belittling the other race and yes that means I take offense when I hear a black person tell others that you should be proud to be black. Explain to me what it means to be proud to be white or black, what are you supposed to be proud of. I mean I honestly just don't get it, so maybe you can make get and then I can say I am proud to be white, instead of being proud of who I am because of the choices I have made.
I am trying real hard not to get upset by you stating, "So I,m sorry that you fill the way you do about your race and I really hope that that will change for you in time." Exactly what do you mean by that and how do you think I feel about my race?
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I am really not trying to get you upset here, but you said "so I can't be proud to be white." What do you mean by that?
And why would anyone dwell on the color of their skin in the first place? I can't for the life of me see why anyone would not be proud of being born white or black. Would you be proud to be black then? If being one race or another would solve all our problems today then I could see why one would say that, but sadly that would not be the case. God made us what color we are and we should in my opinion be proud of who we are and no matter the color. When I say I am proud to be white, it is just because I am white, what else would you have me say? If you expect me to ever say what you said that will never happen in a million years. I am who I am and I will not ever "apologize" for being white(this is not me saying that you did that). Again I will say that I did not mean to upset you. Let me also say what I meant by what I said "was the fact that you said you were not proud to be white",and in my opinion you only said that because of you being white, and because of racism being what it is today and I think that you blame that on the whites. You should get past that color thing and be proud no matter what. So I would hope that some day that would happen. Now why would this upset you in the first place?
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OK. I want to say I completely understand what you mean when you say you are proud to be white, I do, and I am not trying to say you are wrong for in your meaning or how you feel. But I am a very literal person when it comes to what I say, so I will give a definition, which I hate to do on here, of what I take of what proud means and then maybe you will understand what I mean by "so I can't be proud to be white." Maybe then you won't take what I say out of context and not judge me because you think I am hating on the white race or am embarrassed in some way to be white.
Proud:
1. feeling pleasure or satisfaction over something regarded as highly honorable or creditable to oneself (often fol. by of, an infinitive, or a clause).
2. having, proceeding from, or showing a high opinion of one's own dignity, importance, or superiority.
3. having or showing self-respect or self-esteem.
4. highly gratifying to the feelings or self-esteem: It was a proud day for him when his son entered college.
5. highly honorable or creditable: a proud achievement.
6. stately, majestic, or magnificent: proud cities.
7. of lofty dignity or distinction: a proud name; proud nobles.
My point of not saying I am proud to be white is that I didn't do anything to be white. I didn't cause myself to be white, so how can I be proud of it. It is not my accomplishment and I don't need to feel self-respect by stating it. I am very proud of who I am and it has nothing to do with being white. I did not say I wasn't proud to be white because of me being white and because of racism, it is because I can't take credit for being white. I am not unhappy that I am white and I am not unhappy that I am not black. I am way past the color thing, that is why I don't have the need to state the fact that I am somehow proud to be white and use the word white. I am proud of me and who I am.
One last thing, I don't blame the "whites", or the white race in general for racism. I blame the people for the choice they made to be racist, whatever the color. I don't care what color they are, it is the person that chooses to hate based on color or whatever reason they have, not the race they were born into. I am very proud of my race for trying to overcome the mistakes of people in the past and I am proud of the black race for overcoming the hate and discrimination of the past, but I have no tolerance for those that take advantage of the attempts to fix it and move on; those that take advantage of the system and abuse the policies that try to amend the problem, no matter how bad that policy may be. But I have issues with the person doing it, not his or her skin color. I do think those that do that is a big reason why racism still is what it is and why white taxpayers feel taken advantage of and why some black leaders will never "announce" vindication. Until all are treated equal and government decides that restitution, if you will, has been made, we will get nowhere. I agree totally with you that until everyone, including the government, says enough is enough and that we all now have the same rights and privileges as the other, we will get nowhere in moving on. We will never be rewarded equally for hard work and individual accomplishments and have the exact same opportunities because we are Americans, if some continue getting a grant or scholarship or business loan or special treatment solely based on color. We are all Americans.
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BM~I enjoyed reading your point of view. No one can debate personal experiences! And
I know you will argue me into the ground. I just ask for an open heart and mind that's all.
I guess I would say that I'm proud of myself for being a good white person, for trying to live a decent life, and help people. I didn't ask to be white, or a woman, or short, or to be an American or whatever else, and I did not have a choice in the matter but I am all these things. I personally think that you should be proud in everything that makes you, "you". Including skin color. If I say "I like being a woman"...does that make me a feminist? On the surface there is nothing wrong with white people being proud of their race, it is just reminiscent of a time when white people were a little aggressive in relaying their pride. Any time a white person (older) starts talking about their race they are made out to be some sort of a lunatic on the Jerry Springer Show, from the younger generation, I get a little uncomfortable with this! The word "white"is a lot easier to say than this "What I want to say as a 'white' person is that I am NOT white. I am beige with pink undertones thank you! Skin is after all "just skin."Me, or my accomplishments, are really a reflection of other people acting from my body.
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Thanks, and I am not trying to argue with you. I don't think you are wrong in how you feel or that my view is better than yours, the whole proud-pride thing just means something different to each of us, that's all. All I was trying to do in my discussions with you was just trying to make you understand my point, not try to change yours. It just seemed that you were misunderstanding my stance and making me out to be someone I am not. If it seemed I was trying to pass judgment on your opinion then it was taken wrong, because I respect yours and everyone else's opinion. I just pure and simply just don't get the whole white-black pride thing, that's all. Maybe it is because I am in my late 30's and didn't grow up in a time where the whole race pride thing started and I don't understand its necessity, who knows, but I am surely not passing judgment. It is just for me, proud and pride's meaning doesn't fit in that manner, that's all. Thanks for participating, it has been enjoyable. I love good discussion.
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Wow! This is a great discussion and MBH seems to be staying right with you, which shows a degree of civility and a lack of defensive nit picking. (I haven't read all the posts yet and fear that the usual suspects will be defensive, not aware of the covert racism in which they were immersed when growing up.)
Thank you Blog Moderator, for starting the only discussion that will help dissolve this insidious virus. I especially like your inserting the definition of pride; you are leading folks to critical thinking-a most valuable, learned skill. I was taught long ago that socioeconomic status is more of behavioral/cultural determinant than skin color. I found this true when I began work in Perry in the 70's.
Do any of you remember the gas station that was on the site of CVS? The north side faced 98 and had 3 bathrooms: Men, Women, Colored. I was shocked, but soon realized Perry just represented lots of American (and global) communities who need superficial reasons to discriminate: skin color, gender, religion, who has the most cows(Tutsi and Hutu.)
Thanks to all posters who think vs knee jerking!
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I CAN NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE IT IS EVERY WHERE JUST WATCH THE NEXT TIME YOU WEAR A CONFEDERATE FLAG ON YOUR SHIRT OR ON YOUR HAT.People dont understand that is a part of our heritage and it is also a part of the blacks.But all they see is hatred not heritage.Blacks fought in the cival war for the south just like whites did they were not made to fight they choose to fight for their rights and after the war was over they were not happy with the outcome.Before the cival war all of their needs were taken care of and after the war they had to worry about them.I know now they are doing good but at first they did not like it because nobody likes changes in their life and people were scared about their families well being.Dont get me wrong I am not saying that slavery should still be going on all iam saying is that it is not our fault that it went on.Most of your racist say that it is the whites fault that slavery went on.Yes our ansestors might of been involved in but it did not go on because of us,and they also say that we need to quit living in the past and accept the changes that are happening.How can we accept the changes when all the hatred towards us still goes on and they still blame us for all that went on and act like we owe them something because of what happened in the past.
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That is so weird, I was just reading this article that just came out today about that very same thing...
White Guilt is Dead
By Tom Adkins
http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/11/16/the-day-has-come-jesse-jackson-al-sharptonshut-up/
I think black people are too quick to think that any or every given situation is about race when usually it's not. I know this has happened to me many times.
How can you compare WE: Women's Entertainment with BET: Black Entertainment Television ???
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I am not actually comparing the two but making an analogy. What is the difference in having a channel catered generally to women and a channel catered to generally to black people. It is more an argument towards the if we had a white entertainment television channel, it would be a racist channel. I think that is a just a weak opportunity for someone to yell racism and I don't have a problem with either. I mean it was started as a risk and in investment with private money and both have been successful, especially BET. I am actually surprised men have not cried discrimination, probably because white men actually have plenty of channels, they are just not called white men channels, and it is not called BWE.
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One thing to consider is the from a psychosocial standpoint, men and women tend to be different. Contemporary research has shown these differences to extend beyond just cultural indoctrination; there's biology at work.
There are not, however, biological differences between races (aside from the purely cosmetic).
So I can understand a demand for a "women's" cable network much more easily than I can understand a demand for a "black" network.
As for BET specifically, I'm afraid it serves largely to propogate racial stereotypes--at least in terms of its music videos (although these seem to be toned down lately).
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There is a men’s channel, it’s called MAV.TV and it is “TV created by men for men” which includes all races.
There is a women’s channel, it’s called WE, Women’s Entertainment, and it too is for all races.
Then we have BET, Black Entertainment Television, which is geared toward black entertainment, Period.
Your question… “What is the difference in having a channel catered generally to women and a channel catered to generally to black people?” One is for women (non-racial) and one is for blacks (racial).
Your comment…“What I don't understand is why white people feel the need to be racist?” …IS a racist comment. I, myself, don’t understand why ANYONE needs to be racist.
Your comment…“Is it because white people are still angry that black people aren't still calling us master?” YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT? That’s just wacky.
Non-Whites get to bash away at Whites for all of their racial crimes, past, present and future, while Whites are supposed to sit there and take it. There is a presumption that non-Whites are incapable of racism and that Whites are automatically filled with it. Not true.
Racism by Whites is dramatically exaggerated in the US, and every little comment or scribble is inspected to see if they can call it a hate crime. Hispanics and Blacks are far too wont to yell racism over every little thing, in many cases over mostly or completely innocent comments. In the course of fights and shouting matches, angry people will say stuff they would not ordinarily say. Not out of racism or bigotry, but because in a fight, you use any ammo you've got.
And by the way, the words analogy and comparison are synonyms, they mean the same thing.
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Maybe I could have used a better word than analogy, but I think you know what I meant.
"What I don't understand is why white people feel the need to be racist?” Is not a racist comment it is a statement of how I feel. Look up the work racism, racist is the adj. of racism, and I agree totally that with you in that "I, myself, don’t understand why ANYONE needs to be racist."
…“Is it because white people are still angry that black people aren't still calling us master?” YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT? That’s just wacky. Yes that is wacky and no I don't honestly believe that. Like you I don't understand the purpose and reason for racism, which is wacky, so the explanation could be just as wacky. Just throwing out any possible reason for something so ludicrous.
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I still say that when you associate a 'race of people' (white people as you say) to anything that it becomes racist.
The only way that sentence can NOT be considered racist is to remove all reference of race.
And the word analogy was fine, I was just pointing out that it means the same thing as the word I used, which was compare.
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To make the presumption that blacks and hispanics are far too eager to yell racism, as opposed to having actual grievances, is racist in itself. They've only had rights maybe 40 out of the 232 years this country has been in existence. They're not going to just kiss the ground and forget all that has been done to them.
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I never said that it was their ONLY complaint or grievance. You really DO need to pay attention.
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I don't see that the two are in opposition; is it not possible that minorities "are far too eager to yell racism" while they may simultanously have "actual grievances"?
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When I read this story I felt a surge of pride. I am proud to be white! And I did forward it on to my friends. Michael Richards in my view stood up and said what most of America does not have the nerve/guts to say in today's America. I also was going to post it on here, but declined to do so because I had already been called racist several times because of things that I have posted on TCT.
So after comments on racism I decided to post it and left it up to the BM to allow it or not. I am glad that he did post it, because in my opinion it needs to be addressed and it also speaks volumes as to why this is a problem today. What I mean by that is "we white Americans" today (not the black race) are scared to death to say anything, because if it comes out the wrong way then we will be labeled as racist! Whopi can vent all day on national TV with her "N" word, and dare Elizabeth H. To say the "N" word. She said that they (blacks) had took the word back and that they could say it all they wanted,but that the whites could not say the word. For me I have no problems with having a label put on me. It does not bother me in the least because I know who and what I am. And we whites/middle-class Christians are America’s most persecuted minority.That’s a story you never will hear on your tv, It’s political correctness gone mad! Our politicians/Washington in my opinion(just for black votes) is the reason that the whites have been brought down to this level today!...Imus/Dogg the bounty hunter are just two that come to mind that have been brought down to their knees,grown men that had to beg and cry for their self respect and or jobs ...Thank you Washington..
So thank you BM for actually putting this on TCT, because for me I do have a lot to say about this, and I think it has been a long time coming. But your comments quote " What I don't understand is why white people feel the need to be racist? Is it because white people are still angry that black people aren't still calling us master? I hear that black people need to get over the slavery thing because it happened X number of years ago, but that was the beginning of racism against black people, so again why are white people still racist, don't they need to let go of it too?"end quote.
What I don't understand is just where do you get the nerve to label whites as racist? Did you not read the articles that I posted last night? With what all is going on in the world today? As far as anger by not being called "master" I don't think there is any one alive today that would know how that felt. As far as blacks getting over slavery, well slavery was like you said x(140+) number of yrs ago, and they have never got over it yet. And as long as they can use that as an excuse they will never get over it either. And that is the politicians fault.
That comparison "Bet/We" was as different as day and night. One is just for blacks,the other is for all women. Try again...Bet is racist,the other is not...
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First you are welcome for posting your comment, because you are right that it needs to be addressed. I can see the point of the NAACP and the UNCF being outdated and no longer needed if racial discrimination is truly dead in this country, and I can see how it would continue to send a message and cause aggravation from white people who feel that it is no longer needed and feel it is just being abused and used as a tool to get special treatment and relying on human nature, I am sure it happens. You can also not expect those organizations like the NAACP to disband and for black people to feel equal when hate groups like the KKK and the Arian Nation are still active and preaching hate. So until all groups from all sides disband or are outlawed and forced to do so, this feeling of inequality and the need to stick together and ensure they are continued to be treated equally, like it or not those groups are not going anywhere.
Where do I get the nerve to call white people racist? Where do you think racism started in America? White people have discriminated against every race of people ever to live in this country, Native Americans, Asians, African-Americans, etc. Has the black race ever been able to deny white people access to a school(Approximately 17-18% of the students in "black" colleges are white and another 13% are foreign. Nor are faculty at the black college all black. A third or more of most black college faculty members are non-black) or told they must move to the back of the bus to make room for a black passenger or deny a white person the right to vote? I can understand how black people still don't feel completely comfortable with feeling equal when it was just in 1955 when the Rosa Parks incident occurred. It was just in 1965 when the Voting Rights Act of 1965 had to be passed to truly allow all black people the right to vote in the South even with the passing of the 15th Amendment in 1870. It took 90 years before a Constitutional Amendment was actually completely acknowledged. It was just in 1968 when all forms of segregation had been declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. There are still many people alive today that were students in those schools that were forced to share their school with a black person. They did not like it then because they grew up in a period of hate towards another race and I have to believe that the feeling is still there today because it was ingrained in them. Black people are still receiving the same looks and shunning by that same generation that is walking today. It is just not as open and blatant as it was just 50 years ago, unless you are in a room with them when no other black people are around, then you get to hear all the hate and racial slurs. Black people didn't start racism, they just experienced it and have just always only wanted it to stop. Until the generations from both sides have passed on or they both let their grievances go, racism will continue to be a stupid, silly and embarrassing act in America.
I respects yours and everyone else's opinion on BET, but here is how I feel and what I mean. BET is just a channel on TV that is geared toward a certain group of people. There is not a special code that only black people get that must be inputed on your TV to watch it. There are white people on BET programs. You are not told you can't watch it if your not black. So racist it is not, in my opinion. The WE channel is geared toward a certain group of people. EWTN is geared toward the Catholic religion, I guess it is racist towards all other denominations. No one has to watch any channel that they don't want to and it is white people that are making it a racial issue. To make an issue over a freaking TV channel is just petty. Again, I ask what rights have white people lost by giving black people rights and a TV channel?
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In my opinion, white people did not start racism. I think black people did because when they were finally considered equal to white people they resented and hated their former white ‘masters’. And like you said, the feeling is still there today because it was ingrained in them.
Yes, the WE channel is geared toward a certain group of people but by your own words, there is not a special code for it either, or any of the other channels you mentioned.
Your comment… “EWTN is geared toward the Catholic religion; I guess it is racist towards all other denominations.” We are talking about racism here; I know you are not saying there are no black Catholics; I’m just pointing out how wacky that statement is pertaining to this topic.
Your comment… “and it is white people that are making it a racial issue. To make an issue over a freaking TV channel is just petty.” Well, I don’t think it is petty; it is just an example of black racism.
BET is an American cable network based in Washington, D.C. targeted toward young black, urban audiences in the United States.(urban means city vs. rural which means in the country) Robert L. Johnson founded the network in 1980. He needed a niche audience to build ratings, so he chose the African-American audience and named his channel Black Entertainment. Initially, the network lineup consisted of music videos and reruns of popular black sitcoms.
The 'BET Awards' honors black entertainers, athletes and actors. In 2008, BET launched a new awards show, The 'BET Honors', which recognizes the lives and accomplishments of distinguished members of the Black American Community. Seven (7) days a week, the network shows various films with black actors in lead roles under the series "BlackBuster Movies".
If you still can’t see that BET is a racist television channel, then OK.
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Racism:
noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
I will agree that we will disagree on your opinion of who started racism, but by definition and history involving the Supreme Court, I don't see how you can say that.
Racist:
adj.
1. based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2. discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
People so liberally throw around the word racist without the actual understanding of what it means. I put the reference to the Catholic TV channel to show how people usually only apply the word racist to issues involving skin color and use the word to justify why they don't like something and don't apply it everywhere applicable, so by definition it is not wacky. All I am saying is as long as people label everything they can as racist or racism, well there will never be tolerance.
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Your definitions were right but you left off one. Here is the noun form of the word racist, which is the way you used it originally (You didn’t use it as an adjective to describe the church.)
Racist:
noun
1. a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
There are some black people that you even look at wrong and they get in your face saying “What are you looking at” and threaten to call the NAACP. (Personal experience there and I’m just giving you the PG version of this story, it was A LOT worse, believe me) Can you just imaging that scenario on the flip side and a black person looked at me funny, what do you think would happen? Yea, I’d keep walking.
I’ve had to defend myself against being called a racist lots of times. Example: When I failed to hold the door open for a black person I was loudly asked, “What, you don’t hold the door for (insert N word here)" When in fact the reason I didn’t hold the door was not because the were black it was because I didn’t see them.
I’m not saying all blacks are racists. What I am saying is that the intolerance that the racist blacks have for the racist whites spills over to ALL white people.
You said...All I am saying is as long as people label everything they can as racist or racism, there will never be tolerance. That is exactly what YOU did when you said… What I don't understand is why white people are racist?
Racism is as bad as it is today because of people like you enabling the black people to continue what has been ingrained in them for decades.
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Wait, black people started racism? Your sentence is counter intuitive... "when black people were finally considered equal". Considered equal by who? The whites? Wouldn't that mean that the whites didn't consider them equal beforehand, hence racism?
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Don’t you mean… Considered equal by WHOM?
Good ole’ Abraham Lincoln of course, ever heard of a little thing called The Emancipation Proclamation???
And of course the whites didn't consider them equal beforehand, that’s why they were called slaves.
I didn’t say racism NEVER existed. Pay attention, now.
Maybe my sentence was counterintuitive and maybe it wasn't but it is my opinion. Counterintuitive is simply the opposite of what one would expect and I am aware that what I said was different than the usual.
BTW, counterintuitive is one word.
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I don't understand the concept of being "proud to be white" (or black or anything in between).
We have no control over our race; it's just something we're born into. We should, then, be neither proud nor embarrassed of it.
If I'm going to be proud of something, it's going to be something I've *done*--not something I simply *am* by virtue of birth.
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I kinda see where you're coming from but is it no different than saying you are proud to be an American?
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But I'm an American by choice...
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Oh OK. I didn't realize that. Well, I am American by birth and I would say I’m proud to be an American.
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I don't know why anyone would consider it wrong to be proud of who you are just, "because" and nothing at all to do with what you accomplished in life or anything else for that matter. If "wrong" is not the best word for how I view it - maybe "absurd" would be more accurate. I can't understand the concept of being proud of something like that, because it's not an accomplishment. "Where does the pride come in"? The pride comes in just because you are a REAL person, makes no difference the color. If someone has to prove something in order to be proud would this be appropriate? "I panted myself white with a single feather held between my teeth, while hanging upside down and whistling Dixie, if this is an accomplishment to be proud of then ok, I can see a sense of accomplishment in that. But just being born white? Why is that not pride-worthy??? I just don't get it.
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Muslims are unfortunately this country's most persecuted minority.
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TO MIS-BE-HA-VING
White Christian middle-class folks form the majority in America and have since the founding of the country. Nothing minority about WASPs.
Believe it or not, I agree with some of your comments especially the part where you allude to a double standard for whites and blacks. I agree with you that "white" groups are often referred to as racist...example.. The National Association for the Advancement of White People would never fly. It would be attacked by almost all black institutions and liberal entities.
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To: Deep-Thought
The NAAWP did exist at one time, but I think it fizzled out. It was a white nationalist political organization in the United States founded in 1980 by David Duke. The organization's views included opposition to affirmative action programs and a strong law and order stance, such as favoring the death penalty and three strikes laws.
Its official slogan is: "Equal Rights For All - Special Privileges For None."
Has a nice ring to it.
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WASPs are, indeed, the minority in some areas, and are on track to become a minority nation-wide in the not-too-distant future.
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There's no excuse for racism, period.
White people... Your daddy may have been racist, but that doesn't give you a right to be. You have a mind of your own.
Black people... Your great-great granddaddy may have been a slave, but that doesn't give you a right to be racist. No white person alive today is responsible for the past.
While America still has a long way to go, I'd stack our racial harmony against that of other nations any day. European nations may be patting America on the back for having elected its first non-white leader, but how many of them have done the same? They're even further behind than we are.
We've all heard that knowledge is power, and this is certainly true when it comes to racism. Actually taking the time to get to know people of other races makes a huge difference in one's outlook because it turns caricatures and stereoptypes into living, breathing people. Putting a real face on those we perceive to be our enemies has a way of reducing animosity.
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I have got to say, your comments to white people and black people are DEAD ON.
Kudos!
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No doubt. He usually is.
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"No white person alive today is responsible for the past." 1968 wasn't that long ago... You honestly don't think there isn't anyone alive today that refused a black student admission into their university? Or refused them housing, or refused to let them eat in their diner?
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Slavery--which is what we were talking about--was long gone by 1968.
But as to your point, there are plenty of people of all races who are alive today and have practiced racism. But I'm not one of them, so those who have been persecuted have no business taking their anger out on me.
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"Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but anything that could be construed as an expression of white pride is a form of hatred.
It is perfectly natural for third-world immigrants to expect school instruction and driver's tests in their own languages, whereas for Americans to ask them to learn English is racist.
All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian clubs are thought to be fine expressions of ethnic solidarity, but any club or association expressly for whites is by definition racist.
Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) campaigns openly for black advantage but is a respected "civil rights" organization. In 1905, a group of 32 prominent, outspoken African Americans met to discuss the challenges facing "people of color" (a term that was used to describe those who were not white people) in the U.S. and possible strategies and solutions. (hmmm, racist?)
There are a lot of racist blacks and there are a lot of racist whites. I know I'm not, and you're welcome to disagree.
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With Obama in the White House, people insisting that America is all about racism will now have to rethink their message.
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Yep, you heard me right. Racism in America is dead. Allegations about inequality of opportunity have been smashed. Deader than a bug on the windshield. You and I killed it.Actually, racism in America died several decades ago, but the memo got lost.So the next time you hear someone preaching that America is a horribly racist country, you might follow Barack's advice and argue with them and get in their face.Or better yet, laugh them off. That's what I plan to do.
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The ultimate racist!! they will be in the White House.
November 14, 2008
Steele: Obama 'Played the Race Card Beautifully'
@ 3:50 pm by Hill Staff
Former Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael Steele said President-elect Barack Obama "played the race card beautifully" on the campaign trail during a conference call with bloggers Friday afternoon.
"The Obama campaign played the race card beautifully," Steele said, as reported by Matt Lewis of the conservative Townhall.com blog. Steele, who is an African-American, said that Republicans should not hold back in attacks against Obama "just because the President of the United States happens to be a Black man."
Steele also indicated that he would have liked to have seen Sen. John McCain's (R-Ariz.) campaign make more use of Obama's ties to controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright during the campaign.
Steele talked up the value of bloggers in the call, and emphasized his credentials as a pro-life conservative.
"If I wanted to be a Democrat, having grown up in Washington, DC," Steele said when asked of fears that he would move the GOP to a more centrist position, "then I would have joined the Democratic Party."
-Michael O'Brien
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Madd Mom
Madam - do you actualy ever have an original thought? You are constanly quoting other people - posting links etc.. etc.. Do you have an opinion and can you express it? Just wondering!
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It seems that when discussing racism in America, we often overlook the Asians. It wasn't so long ago that the Japanese were rounded up en masse and jailed, for example. And the Chinese who helped connect America's coasts via railway were paid slave wages and put into dangerous conditions that killed quite a few of them.
Fast forward to the 21st century, and Americans of Asian descent are doing amazingly well. Their high school graduation rates are quite high, for instance, and teen pregnancy rates are low. Racial tensions between whites and Asians seem minimal.
Why the difference, I wonder? (That's not a sarcastic question--I really do wonder why the difference...)
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I mentioned Asians very briefly, but not in any detail. You do raise a very good question...why the difference? I know I don't have an easy answer to that question. I am curious what others reasoning or answer would be.
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The Asian population of this country doesn't expect any handouts. They are a quiet people, except for the gangs that fight their own kind or any other gang which seem to be of minority race.
They have jobs, most nail business' are Asian owned. The moral, social, political and philosophical thinking of the Asian is steeped in Confucianism, and this religion base is influential on their belief system. They value family.
I remember reading a story where an Asian Dad murdered his daughter because she brought shame on the family for straying from their beliefs. This group of people have deep convictions of morality and right action. Their honor of the elderly and ancestors is strong.
To achieve they strive for the best and it is a great honor to do so.
Unlike some blacks who think the government owes them. We (the people who make up the government) don't owe them anything. It really galls me to see young girls with babies just to get welfare checks for the family.
I worked in a school and 4 children came in as brothers and sisters. Each had a different father, they got free everything because mom sat home watching TV. One other girl had "uncles" at her house all the time.
WIth this type of home life is it any wonder young people grow up without morals and the hand out is always expected.
Affirmative Action was the downfall of a society that should have shucked it "slavery mentality" years ago and started taking steps to instill pride in their race. If the African-American hyphen word was dropped, and they were just American of African decent, which I doubt most aren't the racist gap my start closing. As long as they keep the door open for hostility (to some) it will always be.
Cult differences, or inherited differences separate these two cultures. If you look at the music of Asia it is peaceful, soothing and hypnotic in ways. THe African music is loud, jumping and almost violent.
In the art world Asian's tend to use soft muted colors, while African art is bold using all the primary colors.
I am not saying this is the cause for differences, but if generations of peoples carry their inherited differences and promote them they will last for more generations.
Was it not to long ago a Perry bar was sued for racism. Has it left town? I doubt it, probably undercover.
side note off the subject, Indonesia has the worlds largest single Muslim community within one nation.
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Nice post...well thought out.
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What does Indonesia have to do with all of this?
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Actually nothing, it was noted as a "side bar or note". I didn't want to post another item so I included it with this one.
Indonesia is where Senator Obama did a lot of growing up --- hence it caught my attention.
Thanks for reading my post.
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Yes, I know he did some of his growing up in Indonesia, I just don't see how that is relevant. So... what does it matter if he grew up in a country with a sizable Muslim population.
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Not sure if this article will help answer you question but it is interesting.
The nation's three largest minority groups -- African Americans, Hispanics and Asians -- view each other with deep suspicion...
http://www.bendixenandassociates.com/press/themiamiherald-decemb122007.html
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The fact is to the original post is blacks make up about 30 percent of the population,and are responsible for 70 percent of crime!check out the FBI crime stats.The goverment has also shoved this equality crap down whites throats,a prime example is affirmative action.How many deserving whites got passed up for a promotion due to affirmative action rules and you say whites are racist!I can choose to not live next to blacks,choose not to associate with them now,thats my right.
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Here's something some may find interesting:
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1
I came across this in school and found my own results to be pretty interesting.
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It wasn’t that long ago the United States House of Representatives passed a resolution apologizing for American slavery. It was said that an apology cannot erase the past but can "speed racial healing and reconciliation and help Americans confront the ghosts of their past." In my opinion to ‘heal’ from an injustice, you have to have an apology, an acceptance of the apology (forgiveness, if you will) then you have to try and put it behind you. Sadly, I don’t think that will ever happen.
Presidents as far back as John Adams and Abraham Lincoln have condemned slavery. In 2003, Bush said of slavery: "Small men took on the powers and airs of tyrants and masters. Years of unpunished brutality and bullying and rape produced a dullness and hardness of conscience. Christian men and women became blind to the clearest commands of their faith and added hypocrisy to injustice."
Everyone seems to think that the only slaves that existed in the US were black slaves from Africa, but in fact there were many white slaves from Ireland, and former black slaves are known to have owned black and Irish slaves themselves.
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Let's take this definition of "proud" from the dictionary:
"feeling pleasure or satisfaction over something regarded as highly honorable or creditable to oneself"
Since one's race is no more "creditable to oneself" than one's height or eye color, what, precisely, is the concept behind racial pride?
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Then by that definition, the people who say, "I'm proud to be an American" doesn't fit either.
"Gay Pride" doesn't fit either. They say individuals should be proud of their sexual orientation.
There are lots of definitions of pride and when you read them all, one of the definitions would fit in each of the case listed above.
But what if someone were to say "I'm glad I'm white" OR, "I'm glad I wasn't born black" Would that be bad?
Some would say yes, but I don't think so. That just means that they were glad that they were not born into a race that was discriminated against. But people would automatically yell racist and say shame on you.
On the other hand, blacks probably would not say something like "I wish I were born white". Why, you ask. Because they have pride and there is nothing wrong with that.
Just my thoughts.
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Not so; people are American by choice, and America is great because of the actions of its citizens. Since being a citizen of a great nation is something that's "creditable to oneself", it's not at all inappropriate to have national pride.
As for "gay pride", I agree with you--it doesn't make any more sense than "straight pride" would.
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I don't agree with your 'people are American by choice' comment. I was born in America, so that makes me American. I didn't choose to be born in here. (Although I am glad I was)
One can REMAIN American by choice.
One can BECOME American be by choice.
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree, however, I remain…
Proud to be an American
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Now we're just playing semantic games.
Obviously, you couldn't help where you were born--so you couldn't help being born American. At at some point in your life, you became old enough to decide whether or not you wanted to remain an American, and you (hopefully) engaged in some of the behaviors that make America great. It is at that point where it would make sense for your pride to develop.
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I'm not playing games with you, semantic or otherwise. We just happen to look at it two different ways.
As I said, we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
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I have no problem disagreeing with someone, as long as I can at least understand the logic of their argument. In this case, however, I simply cannot.
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Sounds like you are refusing to disagree with me because you cannot understand my logic. That’s just wacky.
If you go to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proud you will see lots of definitions for the word proud (not just the one you listed) including, but not limited to, having or showing self-respect or self-esteem.
I asked a friend of mine today if she was proud to be black and her answer was yes, of course. My friend is not racist and neither am I so I guess to two people who are not racist saying 'I'm proud to be black' or 'I'm proud to be white' doesn't bother us and is not wrong in our eyes.
As I've said before, we just happen to look at it two different ways, therefore we disagree. What matters to me most is what my friends and family think and I'm good with that.
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Having pride in your race, no matter what it be, is a good thing. Having pride in your race, and putting down other races, is a bad thing. It is not wrong to be proud of who you are. It is wrong to be proud based on the idea that your cultural or genetic background makes you any better that anybody else is. You are not a racist if you are proud of your race unless it means you think your race is better. The definition of racism is hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
I am proud to be white. If I were Native American, I would be proud. If I were African American I would be proud. If I were Asian, I would be proud. If I were Hispanic, I would be proud. I am proud
to be a person period,end of sentence. And I did not accomplish one thing at all to be the way I am colored. I am what the color I am!
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Why is it a good thing? I'm having trouble understanding this. I don't get why someone would have pride (or, by extension, shame) in something over which they have no control. I might just as well be proud to have been born with ten fingers, or proud to live on a round planet.
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TCC~ Culture is a strange thing. It provides the way you can talk to others without offending them.Everyone has the right to feel proud to be who and what they are. Me saying that I am proud to be white are really(thoughts that are mine and mine alone.) I have choose to try and explain to you on here the reason why I say this. But really, what a joy it will be when there will be just 'humanity' people, and other words that do not set apart those who have differences. Skin color and ethnicity is something we were all born with, as has been pointed out many times. Likewise culture is something we were born with,and should be proud of... We did not have anything to do with it. Whether or not an individual is proud of their ethnicity and/or culture is up to them. Each of us takes pride in different things. I am proud & thankful to my white parents for having had me, that was their choice not mine, I am also proud that they were Americans again that was their choice not mine. But I have no problems with their choices, therefore I say that I am proud to be both! So since I have been old enough to make my own choices in life I do make my own, but I will always be proud of the choices that my parents made for me also. I hope that this will help you understand where I am coming from...White people today are "supposed" to be ashamed of being white(I'm not one of them) and that is something that is said you have to accept to get along in todays society. Unfortunately, whites have a bad rap on this one.
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"...what a joy it will be when there will be just 'humanity' people, and other words that do not set apart those who have differences."
Now *that* I agree with. As I've said before, the concept of "race" is antiquated. It dies a little more each time people cross racial boundaries and have kids. What do you call a kid who's half black and half white? Or one who's dad is a mix of black and white and whose mom is a mix of Mexican and Asian? There comes a point where it becomes ridiculous to try to attach labels to people--and we're well on our way to that point.
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TCC, I agree with you, we are all people, humanoids. No matter the color, origin of birth, religious beliefs and the myriad of other factions that we all have in common; in the end we all put our pants on the same way. One leg at a time.
Until every form you have to fill out deletes the box, are you Corsican, Asian, African-American, etc etc. there will always be labels. What difference does it make on forms unless the classification's used in some manner. Such as college!
Ask the new Prz what a black dad and a white mom produced. He is really one of the true African (Dad)- Americans (Mom). American Indians that married outside of the tribe, there children were half breeds. Would this fit?
I suppose your other reference to mixture of blood, would have to list themselves as "other". Now that is sad.
To think generations of children are neither one race type or another, but just Other.
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I am proud to be a member of the one and only race. THE HUMAN RACE!
Skin color does not define me.
I also am not ashamed nor do I feel that I owe anyone anything because I was born white.
It just makes me different from others.
My eye color does, my hair color does and my shoe size does.
These things are part of me.
I am the sum of all these things.
I am the result of a good parent and Grandparent.
I am me.
I have friends who are just like me and at the same time are different from me. They think like I do and they do not allow anyone to tell them that they are any different from anyone else just because they may not have the same color of body parts I listed above.
I have had acquaintances who did think that because of their skin color or hair color or heritage that they deserved differential treatment.
That is the main reason that they were and continue to be acquaintances.
I love my Mother and My Dad and my Sisters. I love my Wife and my Children.
I love my Country.
If you were my friend, I would defend you with my last ounce of strength and my last breath.
I guess to people who are not my friends that makes me a "Racist".
I guess I am if you are not of the Human Race.
To the people who still define there selves by color.
That is your choice.
I am a American who has many friends and a family who I love and who Loves me.
I do not need your labels or your definition.
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Nice post and I agree with you; you are exactly right.
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WHITE AND PROUD!!
There is a lot of talk these days about Black pride, Jewish pride, Hispanic pride, and even "gay" pride. In fact, there is only ONE major segment of the population that is not encouraged to take pride in its heritage and in the achievements of its ancestors. That group is the White Race.
The lack of White pride is truly a SAD and strange thing, because no group has more to be rightfully PROUD of than the White people of the world. The glories and greatness that the men and women of our Race have won over the centuries should serve as a source of eternal PRIDE and inspiration to White people everywhere.
Since the dawn of history, we have been a mighty Race of builders, explorers, artists, warriors, inventors, philosophers and cultivators. We have sailed the seas, tamed the vast wilderness, scaled towering mountains, journeyed to the depths of the ocean and into the cold void of outer space.
We have built great civilizations, created breathtaking works of beauty and made the deserts bloom. The technological achievements of our people, from the megalithic calendar of Stonehenge to the moon-walk of the Apollo astronauts, are unequaled.
We have devised sublime philosophies, conquered deadly diseases and performed soul-stirring acts of heroism and self-sacrifice. We are the Race of Shakespeare, Leonardo DA Vinci, Beethoven and Homer. We are the sons and daughters of Leif Ericson, Christopher Columbus, Sir Francis Drake and Magellan. We are the folk of Alexander, Caesar, Napolean, Washington and Robert E. Lee. We are the descendants of Pythagoras, Galileo, Copernicus and Newton, just to list the great accomplishments of our Race would require the work of a lifetime.
No one has more to be PROUD of than we do! In order for an individual to be psychologically healthy, he or she must have a clear-cut source of identity and self-worth. And for our Race as a whole to be strong and healthy, White people everywhere must develop a sense of racial identity and racial worth. There is no better way to attain this very necessary level of racial awareness than in having PRIDE in your people and their accomplishments. So take pride in your Race, take pride in what we have achieved in days gone by, and take pride in what we will yet accomplish as we reach for the stars.
Is it wrong to say that as a White Person, I am PROUD to know that it was a White President who abolished slavery?
Be White and proud!
Be Black and proud!
Be Brown and proud!
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Hogwash.
If you personally have accomplished these things, then by all means be proud of your hard work.
Otherwise, you played no role in them and thus have no reason to be proud.
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Hogwash means:
1-meaningless or insincere talk, writing, etc.; nonsense; bunk
2-Worthless, false, or ridiculous speech or writing;
And then we get into the hog swill,so be careful how you sling that word around.
No.. I never conquered/accomplished any of those things, and in my opinion I did not have to
Had conquered/accomplished then in order to be proud of the ones that did!
Role:
1-a part or character played by an actor or actress.
2-The characteristic and expected social behavior of an individual.
Proud:
1-stately, majestic, or magnificent:
2-to be a source of pride or credit to a person:
Quote-"Otherwise, you played no role in them and thus have no reason to be proud." Well you are so wrong, because this is me (Miss B. Haven) saying that I am proud of them...
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I understand the definition of "proud." That's why I take the position I take. The first definition doesn't apply to the usage at hand, and the second one supports *my* argument rather than *yours*. All of those great past accomplishments you mention are a "credit to persons"--but neither you nor I are one of those persons.
I'm not arguing that you're *not* proud; simply that you have no logical reason to be.
Let me try to get you to look at this from a different angle.
Are you proud that the sun is hot? That grass is green? That ducks quack? That you have two arms and two legs? That water is wet?
These are all things over which you have no control. Things that simply are what they are.
By your reasoning, it makes just as much sense to be proud of these things as to be proud of the accomplishments of other people--accomplishments with which you had nothing to do.
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The only thing you share in common with those people is a common complexion. Genetically and culturally you probably have no more in common than you do with any other race. Any you say you're not racist. That was a racist rant if I ever did see one.
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TCC~ Let go of your attachment to always being right, and suddenly your mind will be more open. You will be able to benefit from the unique viewpoints of others, without being crippled by your own judgment.. If you look over your left shoulder and it is saying to go this way and your other shoulder is telling you to go the other way, then just follow your heart and you will be ok. Don't take life to seriously because you'll never get out alive! Get past the color thing and then just maybe you can see.
Quote.... All of those great past accomplishments you mention are a "credit to persons"--but neither you nor I are one of those persons....end quote..."Well-timed silence hath more eloquence than speech." and "I am not young enough to know everything."
Quote....I'm not arguing that you're *not* proud; simply that you have no logical reason to be....end quote.........Ya know... "It's kind of fun to do the impossible."
Quote.....Let me try to get you to look at this from a different angle.end quote....You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink!
On everything else "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."
Have a nice evening..
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Yes, I'm sure you're right. *I'm* the one "attached to always being right" in this discussion.
But when a debate devolves to stringing together random, non-germane truisms and quotes, I'd say its usefulness has gone. Time to move on!
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Yes.... I would say that you are right,it is time to move on...Just goes to show you that there is more than one way to skin a cat huh?
Debate over...
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Jubelee,
Come on, I expected more insight from you in your comment. For someone who was looking for a topic to sink their teeth into you took a very tiny nibble.
Let's see what you have to say about discrimination, prejudice and equality!
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I guess I am one of the ‘usual suspects’ but I will try not to be defensive. Frankly, I expected more insight, too. For someone who is supposedly so excited about the possibility of debating ideas, I expected Jubalee to ‘expand our minds’.
Somehow every time Jubalee decides to make an appearance on here I feel offended like I’m contaminating the site or something? And, trust me, I am very aware of the covert racism in the Unites States, but in my family, we were not immersed in it when growing up.
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I read somewhere that the civil service exam for police officers gives an automatic 5 points just for skin color other than white. That's sure not equality in America, huh.
I think discrimination is wrong and for years people have been trying to make up for it by overcompensating and it's still wrong.
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Jared Taylor who was born in Japan, and has a BA in Philosophy from Yale University writes this article…
The ‘Jena 6’ Fraud
http://www.amren.com/features/jenaFraud/index.html
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Wow.
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Breathalyzer Device Is Racist,
Lawyer Says
Lawyer: Test Unfairly Rates Black Men's Lung Capacity
POSTED: 2:26 PM EST November 19, 2008
BRIDGEPORT, Conn. -- A lawyer representing a man charged with drunken driving has claimed Connecticut's breathalyzers discriminate against blacks.
http://www.wfsb.com/news/18017434/detail.html#-
What next?
This is irresponsible journalism at its best, what a moron! You would think someone would have told this buffoon that making statements about how an inanimate object is racist only confirms his own prejudice... Kinda reminds me of the OJ era and something his lawyer Johnnie Cockran would have came up with.
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3 words
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FREAKIN'
BELIEVABLE
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Racism against white people and the manipulation of black people (america)
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Reply to: comm-906907976@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2008-11-05, 1:36PM EST
So a lot of black public figures have been advocating racism towards white people through out this election and it is completely unfair. I hope all of you black people will take a stand against the racism against white people as we have taken a stand against racism towards you. All of these comedians and rappers saying "don't expect a black man to do shit for a white man the day after elections cause a black man is in office" some of these people have gone as far as saying that black people shouldn't even OPEN A DOOR for a white person. Rappers are calling white people a handful of racial slurs and saying a lot of hateful things about the white race. This is crazy. All public figures advocating black against white racism should not only insult white people, but black people as well for trying to hold you in the past. There are some evil forces at work behind the media and you all have to remember who is writing the scripts for these people. A black man did not make it into office by purely the black vote. Please remember this and don't get programmed by the brainwashing on tv. One example of the media manipulating people into racism is the fact that the Game wanted to do a song about how police brutality isn't just a black problem(AND IT ISN'T)it's a problem for everyone, police shot a white man for taking out his wallet TOO; no rappers would rap on this song with him... You need to seriously evaluate everything you hear on the radio or see on tv. Don't let the media control YOU and ruin what YOU fought for.
http://orlando.craigslist.org/pol/906907976.html
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Ok...as much as I value your opinions...they don't move me. How many "white" people in this [*] town can say they are not "racist". Worse..even if you think your not...I bet a very high percentage of your family reunion crowd will be throwing the N word around as the #1 problem in this country. Perry is a disgrace when it comes to racism...50 years behind the times. You don't have to sound politically correct around the dinner table. Tell us what your dad, your uncle, your [*] neighbor is promoting. Its still here...it never left...and the locals hold onto their ideals like Perry Florida is the last frontier for the white man. Idiots.
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BM
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Change. Me think thou protest to much! So let me get this straight: I am a racist because I am white? My family reunion is pretty laid back. I bet your family reunion has the "N" word throw around more than most. The # 1 problem in this county and this country is too many danged people who think Uncle Sam Owes them Something!
How are we 50 years behind the times? Are the schools not segregated? Are Blacks and whites allowed to eat in the same restaurants? Are the Blacks and whites allowed to drink from the same drinking fountains? Do we not all work side by side?
Who are you?
Why should I or anyone else tell you anything?
You have made up your mind on what we think and why we think it. Heck you have even throw my neighbor into the fray as a KKK member.
If I wrote this about Black Folks I would be a "Sho Nuff Racist".
What then I ask does that make you?
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Very interesting, opens the door for a lot of questions, but I'm going to try to keep this short. First you need to get the chip off your shoulder. ... Racism comes from all sides not just white. Perry? A(sorry @ss redneck)town, I have not experienced racism here at all, and I am proud to live in the last frontier for the past 25 yrs. 50 yrs. Behind, just how old are you,and where have you been all these yrs?
The only thing your comment proves is "you are not willing to let it go"are you"? And as long as there are the "Race Baiters" out there, racism is not going to get any better either. As far as Your dramatization of the KKK/Racist neighbors that was just pathetic,The original KKK went after people who supported the so called carpet baggers and was not totally racially oriented.They protected both white and black property owners.
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To: Change
I don't know about all these other nice folks on here, but I don't hear the N word from my friends and family. If you are hearing it so much, then maybe you need to change who you hang out with. And if you don't like this "sorry ass redneck town" so much then I suggest you pack up and move. Find a place more to your liking, maybe. Have a nice day (somewhere else)!
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I hear the word used around here still. I love Perry, but let's face facts... Old habits die hard, and racism is alive and well here.
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I agree that racism is still alive here in Perry, but I don't agree that it is always instigated by white people. I know that for a FACT.
And I am sure the N word is still used, just not in my 'circle of friends'.
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Change- How bout changing "your" attitude !!!! Its people like you that keep crying and wanting a free hand out.. Get a life and a job....Perry is doing as well as others cities, so dont bring "your" hate on us....
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Believer:
In your post do you mean: Are not the schools intergrated and not "segregated"?
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Oops. Thank you for correcting my mistake. Isn't life wonderful.
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A most interesting discussion here. I got behind on reading the blog, and am catching up on what's been written. Thanks Blogmoderator, for bringing up this subject.
Now, how about a poll ?
A poll on the topics mentioned thus far, such as
1 - what is your definition of proud? with multiple choice answers.
2 - Were you raised in a "racist" home?
yes or no
3. Have you ever purposely committed an act of racism?
4. Have you ever "accidentally" committed an act of racism?
5. In your opinion, is Taylor County a racist or non-racist community?
6. In your opinion, does Taylor County not match, match, or does it exceed other communities in exhibiting racism?7. Is Taylor County 50 years behind, 30 years behind, 10 years behind, up to date, or ahead of time in race relations?
these could likely all be worded better, and maybe others have more questions.
Wouldn't a poll give us insight as to "where we are" on this issue?
how about it, Blogmoderator?
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The politically incorrect truth about Kwanzaa
Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 by black radical and ex-convict Ron Karenga, now known as Dr. Maulana Karenga and it's a holiday based on race.
Kwanzaa is a fraud. It is a holiday based on skin color.
And we are like the townsfolk in the story of The Emperor's New Clothes, afraid to say that he's just plain naked.
Can you imagine the repercussion if we had a holiday just for white folks?
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Default.aspx?id=354546
Be sure to read the comments section of this article. There are some interesting views on this story.
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